On Nov 20, 9:30 am, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Irrationality only has meaning at a higher level, when you're engaging
> in an activity which does not lead to the goals you desire.

I'll buy along with the assertion that many, perhaps most "goals" are
not conscious. I suspect that most people do not consciously desire
pain, however, it is likely that something about the pain, or other
things about spicy food and other sources of pain, can lead to some
correction the complex system that is a person or animal. In fact, I
have reason to believe that acting purposefully (to achieve a goal),
often leads to imbalances. For example using chemical fertilizers to
increase crop yields makes sense until one t realizes the down side.
In many purposeful acts this is all easy to do. That's not to say that
purposeless acts don't have a down side too. The difference is that
purposeless acts followed by purposeless corrections, such as in
evolution by natural selection work better when given enough time.
Once purpose is injected, then purpose will be use again and again.
Often it is used to try and forestall a correction. Then when
correction comes, it can be and often is disastrous. On the other hand
purpose can be used to plan ahead and prevent disasters such as meteor
strikes.

On Nov 20, 9:30 am, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> <<None of these activities are rational in themselves. >>
>
> Neither are they irrational, any more than liking chocolate is
> irrational.  If you like spicy food, the spices work by activating
> your pain sensors.
>
> Irrationality only has meaning at a higher level, when you're engaging
> in an activity which does not lead to the goals you desire.
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