Liz, thank you very much for your clarity and understanding of my
intentions and posts.

I too had thought of the bacterial analogy but had not broached it
yet. Since clog appears to be oblivious and ignores the facts of the
situation, IF I continue this thread, I will make a separate one for
overpopulation even though it IS at the heart of the matter of the
current thread. For a third time for those not inclined to do so, see
the link I have provided. It tells the story much better than I ever
could.

http://www.dieoff.org/page27.htm


On Nov 30, 7:20 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Email exchanges are often inadequate in getting a point across.  I
> understand now when you say you were not necessarily advocating with holding
> organs and medical care.  
>
> I have often had the same problem with my posts.  I think it is inevitable,
> due to the nature of an email exchange, that there will be misunderstandings
> from time to time.
>
> I agree that population control should be a high priority.  I imagine the
> human population much like a bacterial one growing within the Petri dish.
> We're in a log phase of growth currently, but eventually the food will run
> out, and we will die of starvation while we wallow in our own filth.
>
> That is, assuming the asteroid or super volcano doesn't take us out first.
>
> Liz
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> ornamentalmind
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:37 PM
> To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> Subject: Re: A Good Idea Abandoned
>
> "...Now, I don't see why I can't have legal organ donation and
> population
> control.  That's the part that doesn't make sense to me." - Liz
>
> Of course Liz, you do know that that already exists today and has
> existed for decades in all parts of the USA to one extent or another
> don't you? I fully support it as a law. I only question the long term
> result, that is all.
>
> "...Organ donations are often referred to as "anatomical gifts." All
> fifty states have passed some version of the Uniform Anatomical Gift
> Act. This act allows a person to make a gift of organs and tissues
> during his or her lifetime with the gift to take effect upon
> death. ..."http://www.lectlaw.com/filesh/qfl03.htm
>
> And, since you were quite tired, I'll cut you some slack about saying
> you don’t care about how your emotions may influence humanity.
>
> Oh, and in no way did I ever imply that I wish organ transplants to be
> withheld let alone that such an action would be “the best” solution. I
> asked questions and showed the result of actions. Cause and Effect.
> Nothing more. Clearly no one so far has been able to see that.
>
> On Nov 29, 9:23 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > “…But your solution of withholding medical treatment is a silly one….”
> > – T
>
> > Of course it is in no way ‘my’ solution. Nor have I advocated for it.
> > IF one rereads my posts, I have been asking questions. It is how I
> > learn. And, of course the suggestion itself is in no way objectively
> > ‘silly’. …nor is it just ‘silly’, your analogy and memory of a
> > theological holiday myth aside.
>
> > The question I originally asked clog** was to evoke thoughtful
> > discussion and exploration. So far, I get pap.
>
> > So, other than quoting an irrelevant set of statistics, as is shown by
> > my original link (http://www.dieoff.org/page27.htm), do any of the so
> > called ‘free thinkers’ here have any thoughts about overpopulation?
> > Or, is the actual heart of a free thinker one that sticks it’s head in
> > the sand, ignoring what appears to anyone who has eyes to see as being
> > inevitable?
>
> > Perhaps you wish to just accept fate? Sort of like those who bowed to
> > the pantheon of our ancient forefathers of Rome? Of course, they too
> > approved of slavery, keeping the woman out of politics and even put to
> > death one of thier own who taught by asking questions. His crime was
> > listed as corrupting the youth and disbelieving in the ancestral gods.
> > Perhaps I should take the myth of Scrooge to heart or stop asking
> > questions of the youth here…..
>
> > Overpopulation is one of the greatest if not the greatest problem for
> > mankind today and is only getting worse by the second. I wonder why
> > free thinkers would let their feathers get ruffled by looking at all
> > or at least some of the possibilities without consciously and
> > rationally engaging in a dialogue about it. Perhaps there is less
> > freedom here than I thought. So far all I see is blind and emotional
> > responses that would be quite familiar and all too common on any site
> > where theological views were professed. Surely you can do better?
>
> > ** <<So Clog, you think that we need to assure that more people will
> > populate the planet?>>
>
> > On Nov 29, 8:30 pm, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > <<Perhaps the topic produces too much of an emotional reaction within
> > > members here to be able to rationally look at let alone discuss it.>>
>
> > > Hardly.  But your solution of withholding medical treatment is a silly
> > > one.  Reminds me of the line from A Christmas Carol:   ====
> > > "If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and
> > > decrease the surplus population. ===
>
> > > While Scrooge's statement sounds coldly logical, the audience knows
> > > the view is the result of a soured view towards life, rather than a
> > > rationally derived worldview.
>
> > > Advanced nations have a naturally fertility birth rate.  For instance,
> > > naturally born Americans already have an average of 2 children per set
> > > of parents, which is less than the replacement rate.  Many, many
> > > countries have a fertility rate less than the replacement rate,
> > > leading long-term to a declining population.  Here's a list:
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_fer...
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