Hi y'all - perhaps your irony is a little rusty and in need of sandblasting?
On Nov 30, 10:22 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can label me anything you want. I already have you in the bin > marked: "Does Not Grok Irony" > > On Nov 30, 5:06 pm, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi y'all - I'm delighted that you have classified me as a fair minded > > person. If you do not go along with the concept of implied consent > > could I label you as not fair minded? > > > On Nov 30, 6:29 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > “Hi y'all - let me see if I've got this straight. Are you suggesting > > > that we should restrict medical assistance (organ transplants) to > > > some, because of the overpopulation threat which I accept as a fact?” > > > - clog > > > > No. I only have pointed it out as one of numerous areas one could > > > discuss. > > > > “I believe in implied consent because I feel that humans should be > > > prepared to help other humans whenever possible, particularly when it > > > is not detrimental to themselves. I understand that some misguided > > > religious zealots would not go along with this, so I agree that they > > > should be able to opt out and show their true colors.” – clog > > > > How ‘fair’ of you. And, your belief is noted. Now, if/when you would > > > like to discuss reality, let me know. > > > > On Nov 30, 3:57 pm, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi y'all - let me see if I've got this straight. Are you suggesting > > > > that we should restrict medical assistance (organ transplants) to > > > > some, because of the overpopulation threat which I accept as a fact? > > > > I believe in implied consent because I feel that humans should be > > > > prepared to help other humans whenever possible, particularly when it > > > > is not detrimental to themselves. I understand that some misguided > > > > religious zealots would not go along with this, so I agree that they > > > > should be able to opt out and show their true colors. > > > > > On Nov 30, 10:08 am, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Liz, thank you very much for your clarity and understanding of my > > > > > intentions and posts. > > > > > > I too had thought of the bacterial analogy but had not broached it > > > > > yet. Since clog appears to be oblivious and ignores the facts of the > > > > > situation, IF I continue this thread, I will make a separate one for > > > > > overpopulation even though it IS at the heart of the matter of the > > > > > current thread. For a third time for those not inclined to do so, see > > > > > the link I have provided. It tells the story much better than I ever > > > > > could. > > > > > >http://www.dieoff.org/page27.htm > > > > > > On Nov 30, 7:20 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Email exchanges are often inadequate in getting a point across. I > > > > > > understand now when you say you were not necessarily advocating > > > > > > with holding > > > > > > organs and medical care. > > > > > > > I have often had the same problem with my posts. I think it is > > > > > > inevitable, > > > > > > due to the nature of an email exchange, that there will be > > > > > > misunderstandings > > > > > > from time to time. > > > > > > > I agree that population control should be a high priority. I > > > > > > imagine the > > > > > > human population much like a bacterial one growing within the Petri > > > > > > dish. > > > > > > We're in a log phase of growth currently, but eventually the food > > > > > > will run > > > > > > out, and we will die of starvation while we wallow in our own filth. > > > > > > > That is, assuming the asteroid or super volcano doesn't take us out > > > > > > first. > > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > > > > ornamentalmind > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:37 PM > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > > > > Subject: Re: A Good Idea Abandoned > > > > > > > "...Now, I don't see why I can't have legal organ donation and > > > > > > population > > > > > > control. That's the part that doesn't make sense to me." - Liz > > > > > > > Of course Liz, you do know that that already exists today and has > > > > > > existed for decades in all parts of the USA to one extent or another > > > > > > don't you? I fully support it as a law. I only question the long > > > > > > term > > > > > > result, that is all. > > > > > > > "...Organ donations are often referred to as "anatomical gifts." All > > > > > > fifty states have passed some version of the Uniform Anatomical Gift > > > > > > Act. This act allows a person to make a gift of organs and tissues > > > > > > during his or her lifetime with the gift to take effect upon > > > > > > death. ..."http://www.lectlaw.com/filesh/qfl03.htm > > > > > > > And, since you were quite tired, I'll cut you some slack about > > > > > > saying > > > > > > you don’t care about how your emotions may influence humanity. > > > > > > > Oh, and in no way did I ever imply that I wish organ transplants to > > > > > > be > > > > > > withheld let alone that such an action would be “the best” > > > > > > solution. I > > > > > > asked questions and showed the result of actions. Cause and Effect. > > > > > > Nothing more. Clearly no one so far has been able to see that. > > > > > > > On Nov 29, 9:23 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > “…But your solution of withholding medical treatment is a silly > > > > > > > one….” > > > > > > > – T > > > > > > > > Of course it is in no way ‘my’ solution. Nor have I advocated for > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > IF one rereads my posts, I have been asking questions. It is how I > > > > > > > learn. And, of course the suggestion itself is in no way > > > > > > > objectively > > > > > > > ‘silly’. …nor is it just ‘silly’, your analogy and memory of a > > > > > > > theological holiday myth aside. > > > > > > > > The question I originally asked clog** was to evoke thoughtful > > > > > > > discussion and exploration. So far, I get pap. > > > > > > > > So, other than quoting an irrelevant set of statistics, as is > > > > > > > shown by > > > > > > > my original link (http://www.dieoff.org/page27.htm), do any of > > > > > > > the so > > > > > > > called ‘free thinkers’ here have any thoughts about > > > > > > > overpopulation? > > > > > > > Or, is the actual heart of a free thinker one that sticks it’s > > > > > > > head in > > > > > > > the sand, ignoring what appears to anyone who has eyes to see as > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > inevitable? > > > > > > > > Perhaps you wish to just accept fate? Sort of like those who > > > > > > > bowed to > > > > > > > the pantheon of our ancient forefathers of Rome? Of course, they > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > approved of slavery, keeping the woman out of politics and even > > > > > > > put to > > > > > > > death one of thier own who taught by asking questions. His crime > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > listed as corrupting the youth and disbelieving in the ancestral > > > > > > > gods. > > > > > > > Perhaps I should take the myth of Scrooge to heart or stop asking > > > > > > > questions of the youth here….. > > > > > > > > Overpopulation is one of the greatest if not the greatest problem > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > mankind today and is only getting worse by the second. I wonder > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > free thinkers would let their feathers get ruffled by looking at > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > or at least some of the possibilities without consciously and > > > > > > > rationally engaging in a dialogue about it. Perhaps there is less > > > > > > > freedom here than I thought. So far all I see is blind and > > > > > > > emotional > > > > > > > responses that would be quite familiar and all too common on any > > > > > > > site > > > > > > > where theological views were professed. Surely you can do better? > > > > > > > > ** <<So Clog, you think that we need to assure that more people > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > populate the planet?>> > > > > > > > > On Nov 29, 8:30 pm, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > <<Perhaps the topic produces too much of an emotional reaction > > > > > > > > within > > > > > > > > members here to be able to rationally look at let alone discuss > > > > > > > > it.>> > > > > > > > > > Hardly. But your solution of withholding medical treatment is > > > > > > > > a silly > > > > > > > > one. Reminds me of the line from A Christmas Carol: ==== > > > > > > > > "If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do > > > > > > > > it, and > > > > > > > > decrease the surplus population. === > > > > > > > > > While Scrooge's statement sounds coldly logical, the audience > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > the view is the result of a soured view towards life, rather > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > rationally derived worldview. > > > > > > > > > Advanced nations have a naturally fertility birth rate. For > > > > > > > > instance, > > > > > > > > naturally born Americans already have an average of 2 children > > > > > > > > per set > > > > > > > > of parents, which is less than the replacement rate. Many, many > > > > > > > > countries have a fertility rate less than the replacement rate, > > > > > > > > leading long-term to a declining population. 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