Perhaps not.
On Dec 1, 6:34 am, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi y'all - perhaps your irony is a little rusty and in need of
> sandblasting?
>
> On Nov 30, 10:22 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > You can label me anything you want. I already have you in the bin
> > marked: "Does Not Grok Irony"
>
> > On Nov 30, 5:06 pm, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Hi y'all - I'm delighted that you have classified me as a fair minded
> > > person. If you do not go along with the concept of implied consent
> > > could I label you as not fair minded?
>
> > > On Nov 30, 6:29 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > “Hi y'all - let me see if I've got this straight. Are you suggesting
> > > > that we should restrict medical assistance (organ transplants) to
> > > > some, because of the overpopulation threat which I accept as a fact?”
> > > > - clog
>
> > > > No. I only have pointed it out as one of numerous areas one could
> > > > discuss.
>
> > > > “I believe in implied consent because I feel that humans should be
> > > > prepared to help other humans whenever possible, particularly when it
> > > > is not detrimental to themselves. I understand that some misguided
> > > > religious zealots would not go along with this, so I agree that they
> > > > should be able to opt out and show their true colors.” – clog
>
> > > > How ‘fair’ of you. And, your belief is noted. Now, if/when you would
> > > > like to discuss reality, let me know.
>
> > > > On Nov 30, 3:57 pm, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Hi y'all - let me see if I've got this straight. Are you suggesting
> > > > > that we should restrict medical assistance (organ transplants) to
> > > > > some, because of the overpopulation threat which I accept as a fact?
> > > > > I believe in implied consent because I feel that humans should be
> > > > > prepared to help other humans whenever possible, particularly when it
> > > > > is not detrimental to themselves. I understand that some misguided
> > > > > religious zealots would not go along with this, so I agree that they
> > > > > should be able to opt out and show their true colors.
>
> > > > > On Nov 30, 10:08 am, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Liz, thank you very much for your clarity and understanding of my
> > > > > > intentions and posts.
>
> > > > > > I too had thought of the bacterial analogy but had not broached it
> > > > > > yet. Since clog appears to be oblivious and ignores the facts of the
> > > > > > situation, IF I continue this thread, I will make a separate one for
> > > > > > overpopulation even though it IS at the heart of the matter of the
> > > > > > current thread. For a third time for those not inclined to do so,
> > > > > > see
> > > > > > the link I have provided. It tells the story much better than I ever
> > > > > > could.
>
> > > > > >http://www.dieoff.org/page27.htm
>
> > > > > > On Nov 30, 7:20 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Email exchanges are often inadequate in getting a point across. I
> > > > > > > understand now when you say you were not necessarily advocating
> > > > > > > with holding
> > > > > > > organs and medical care.
>
> > > > > > > I have often had the same problem with my posts. I think it is
> > > > > > > inevitable,
> > > > > > > due to the nature of an email exchange, that there will be
> > > > > > > misunderstandings
> > > > > > > from time to time.
>
> > > > > > > I agree that population control should be a high priority. I
> > > > > > > imagine the
> > > > > > > human population much like a bacterial one growing within the
> > > > > > > Petri dish.
> > > > > > > We're in a log phase of growth currently, but eventually the food
> > > > > > > will run
> > > > > > > out, and we will die of starvation while we wallow in our own
> > > > > > > filth.
>
> > > > > > > That is, assuming the asteroid or super volcano doesn't take us
> > > > > > > out first.
>
> > > > > > > Liz
>
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: [email protected]
>
> > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > ornamentalmind
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:37 PM
> > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: A Good Idea Abandoned
>
> > > > > > > "...Now, I don't see why I can't have legal organ donation and
> > > > > > > population
> > > > > > > control. That's the part that doesn't make sense to me." - Liz
>
> > > > > > > Of course Liz, you do know that that already exists today and has
> > > > > > > existed for decades in all parts of the USA to one extent or
> > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > don't you? I fully support it as a law. I only question the long
> > > > > > > term
> > > > > > > result, that is all.
>
> > > > > > > "...Organ donations are often referred to as "anatomical gifts."
> > > > > > > All
> > > > > > > fifty states have passed some version of the Uniform Anatomical
> > > > > > > Gift
> > > > > > > Act. This act allows a person to make a gift of organs and tissues
> > > > > > > during his or her lifetime with the gift to take effect upon
> > > > > > > death. ..."http://www.lectlaw.com/filesh/qfl03.htm
>
> > > > > > > And, since you were quite tired, I'll cut you some slack about
> > > > > > > saying
> > > > > > > you don’t care about how your emotions may influence humanity.
>
> > > > > > > Oh, and in no way did I ever imply that I wish organ transplants
> > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > withheld let alone that such an action would be “the best”
> > > > > > > solution. I
> > > > > > > asked questions and showed the result of actions. Cause and
> > > > > > > Effect.
> > > > > > > Nothing more. Clearly no one so far has been able to see that.
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 29, 9:23 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > “…But your solution of withholding medical treatment is a silly
> > > > > > > > one….”
> > > > > > > > – T
>
> > > > > > > > Of course it is in no way ‘my’ solution. Nor have I advocated
> > > > > > > > for it.
> > > > > > > > IF one rereads my posts, I have been asking questions. It is
> > > > > > > > how I
> > > > > > > > learn. And, of course the suggestion itself is in no way
> > > > > > > > objectively
> > > > > > > > ‘silly’. …nor is it just ‘silly’, your analogy and memory of a
> > > > > > > > theological holiday myth aside.
>
> > > > > > > > The question I originally asked clog** was to evoke thoughtful
> > > > > > > > discussion and exploration. So far, I get pap.
>
> > > > > > > > So, other than quoting an irrelevant set of statistics, as is
> > > > > > > > shown by
> > > > > > > > my original link (http://www.dieoff.org/page27.htm), do any of
> > > > > > > > the so
> > > > > > > > called ‘free thinkers’ here have any thoughts about
> > > > > > > > overpopulation?
> > > > > > > > Or, is the actual heart of a free thinker one that sticks it’s
> > > > > > > > head in
> > > > > > > > the sand, ignoring what appears to anyone who has eyes to see
> > > > > > > > as being
> > > > > > > > inevitable?
>
> > > > > > > > Perhaps you wish to just accept fate? Sort of like those who
> > > > > > > > bowed to
> > > > > > > > the pantheon of our ancient forefathers of Rome? Of course,
> > > > > > > > they too
> > > > > > > > approved of slavery, keeping the woman out of politics and even
> > > > > > > > put to
> > > > > > > > death one of thier own who taught by asking questions. His
> > > > > > > > crime was
> > > > > > > > listed as corrupting the youth and disbelieving in the
> > > > > > > > ancestral gods.
> > > > > > > > Perhaps I should take the myth of Scrooge to heart or stop
> > > > > > > > asking
> > > > > > > > questions of the youth here…..
>
> > > > > > > > Overpopulation is one of the greatest if not the greatest
> > > > > > > > problem for
> > > > > > > > mankind today and is only getting worse by the second. I wonder
> > > > > > > > why
> > > > > > > > free thinkers would let their feathers get ruffled by looking
> > > > > > > > at all
> > > > > > > > or at least some of the possibilities without consciously and
> > > > > > > > rationally engaging in a dialogue about it. Perhaps there is
> > > > > > > > less
> > > > > > > > freedom here than I thought. So far all I see is blind and
> > > > > > > > emotional
> > > > > > > > responses that would be quite familiar and all too common on
> > > > > > > > any site
> > > > > > > > where theological views were professed. Surely you can do
> > > > > > > > better?
>
> > > > > > > > ** <<So Clog, you think that we need to assure that more people
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > populate the planet?>>
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 29, 8:30 pm, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > <<Perhaps the topic produces too much of an emotional
> > > > > > > > > reaction within
> > > > > > > > > members here to be able to rationally look at let alone
> > > > > > > > > discuss it.>>
>
> > > > > > > > > Hardly. But your solution of withholding medical treatment
> > > > > > > > > is a silly
> > > > > > > > > one. Reminds me of the line from A Christmas Carol: ====
> > > > > > > > > "If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do
> > > > > > > > > it, and
> > > > > > > > > decrease the surplus population. ===
>
> > > > > > > > > While Scrooge's statement sounds coldly logical, the audience
> > > > > > > > > knows
> > > > > > > > > the view is the result of a soured view towards life, rather
> > > > > > > > > than a
> > > > > > > > > rationally derived worldview.
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> > > > > > > > > Advanced nations have a naturally fertility birth rate. For
> > > > > > > > > instance,
> > > > > > > > > naturally born Americans already have an average of 2
> > > > > > > > > children per set
> > > > > > > > > of parents, which is less than the replacement rate. Many,
> > > > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > > countries have a fertility rate less than the replacement
> > > > > > > > > rate,
> > > > > > > > > leading long-term to a declining population. Here's a list:
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