“Hi y'all - let me see if I've got this straight. Are you suggesting that we should restrict medical assistance (organ transplants) to some, because of the overpopulation threat which I accept as a fact?” - clog
No. I only have pointed it out as one of numerous areas one could discuss. “I believe in implied consent because I feel that humans should be prepared to help other humans whenever possible, particularly when it is not detrimental to themselves. I understand that some misguided religious zealots would not go along with this, so I agree that they should be able to opt out and show their true colors.” – clog How ‘fair’ of you. And, your belief is noted. Now, if/when you would like to discuss reality, let me know. On Nov 30, 3:57 pm, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi y'all - let me see if I've got this straight. Are you suggesting > that we should restrict medical assistance (organ transplants) to > some, because of the overpopulation threat which I accept as a fact? > I believe in implied consent because I feel that humans should be > prepared to help other humans whenever possible, particularly when it > is not detrimental to themselves. I understand that some misguided > religious zealots would not go along with this, so I agree that they > should be able to opt out and show their true colors. > > On Nov 30, 10:08 am, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Liz, thank you very much for your clarity and understanding of my > > intentions and posts. > > > I too had thought of the bacterial analogy but had not broached it > > yet. Since clog appears to be oblivious and ignores the facts of the > > situation, IF I continue this thread, I will make a separate one for > > overpopulation even though it IS at the heart of the matter of the > > current thread. For a third time for those not inclined to do so, see > > the link I have provided. It tells the story much better than I ever > > could. > > >http://www.dieoff.org/page27.htm > > > On Nov 30, 7:20 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Email exchanges are often inadequate in getting a point across. I > > > understand now when you say you were not necessarily advocating with > > > holding > > > organs and medical care. > > > > I have often had the same problem with my posts. I think it is > > > inevitable, > > > due to the nature of an email exchange, that there will be > > > misunderstandings > > > from time to time. > > > > I agree that population control should be a high priority. I imagine the > > > human population much like a bacterial one growing within the Petri dish. > > > We're in a log phase of growth currently, but eventually the food will run > > > out, and we will die of starvation while we wallow in our own filth. > > > > That is, assuming the asteroid or super volcano doesn't take us out first. > > > > Liz > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > ornamentalmind > > > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:37 PM > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > Subject: Re: A Good Idea Abandoned > > > > "...Now, I don't see why I can't have legal organ donation and > > > population > > > control. That's the part that doesn't make sense to me." - Liz > > > > Of course Liz, you do know that that already exists today and has > > > existed for decades in all parts of the USA to one extent or another > > > don't you? I fully support it as a law. I only question the long term > > > result, that is all. > > > > "...Organ donations are often referred to as "anatomical gifts." All > > > fifty states have passed some version of the Uniform Anatomical Gift > > > Act. This act allows a person to make a gift of organs and tissues > > > during his or her lifetime with the gift to take effect upon > > > death. ..."http://www.lectlaw.com/filesh/qfl03.htm > > > > And, since you were quite tired, I'll cut you some slack about saying > > > you don’t care about how your emotions may influence humanity. > > > > Oh, and in no way did I ever imply that I wish organ transplants to be > > > withheld let alone that such an action would be “the best” solution. I > > > asked questions and showed the result of actions. Cause and Effect. > > > Nothing more. Clearly no one so far has been able to see that. > > > > On Nov 29, 9:23 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > “…But your solution of withholding medical treatment is a silly one….” > > > > – T > > > > > Of course it is in no way ‘my’ solution. Nor have I advocated for it. > > > > IF one rereads my posts, I have been asking questions. It is how I > > > > learn. And, of course the suggestion itself is in no way objectively > > > > ‘silly’. …nor is it just ‘silly’, your analogy and memory of a > > > > theological holiday myth aside. > > > > > The question I originally asked clog** was to evoke thoughtful > > > > discussion and exploration. So far, I get pap. > > > > > So, other than quoting an irrelevant set of statistics, as is shown by > > > > my original link (http://www.dieoff.org/page27.htm), do any of the so > > > > called ‘free thinkers’ here have any thoughts about overpopulation? > > > > Or, is the actual heart of a free thinker one that sticks it’s head in > > > > the sand, ignoring what appears to anyone who has eyes to see as being > > > > inevitable? > > > > > Perhaps you wish to just accept fate? Sort of like those who bowed to > > > > the pantheon of our ancient forefathers of Rome? Of course, they too > > > > approved of slavery, keeping the woman out of politics and even put to > > > > death one of thier own who taught by asking questions. His crime was > > > > listed as corrupting the youth and disbelieving in the ancestral gods. > > > > Perhaps I should take the myth of Scrooge to heart or stop asking > > > > questions of the youth here….. > > > > > Overpopulation is one of the greatest if not the greatest problem for > > > > mankind today and is only getting worse by the second. I wonder why > > > > free thinkers would let their feathers get ruffled by looking at all > > > > or at least some of the possibilities without consciously and > > > > rationally engaging in a dialogue about it. Perhaps there is less > > > > freedom here than I thought. So far all I see is blind and emotional > > > > responses that would be quite familiar and all too common on any site > > > > where theological views were professed. Surely you can do better? > > > > > ** <<So Clog, you think that we need to assure that more people will > > > > populate the planet?>> > > > > > On Nov 29, 8:30 pm, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > <<Perhaps the topic produces too much of an emotional reaction within > > > > > members here to be able to rationally look at let alone discuss it.>> > > > > > > Hardly. But your solution of withholding medical treatment is a silly > > > > > one. Reminds me of the line from A Christmas Carol: ==== > > > > > "If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and > > > > > decrease the surplus population. === > > > > > > While Scrooge's statement sounds coldly logical, the audience knows > > > > > the view is the result of a soured view towards life, rather than a > > > > > rationally derived worldview. > > > > > > Advanced nations have a naturally fertility birth rate. For instance, > > > > > naturally born Americans already have an average of 2 children per set > > > > > of parents, which is less than the replacement rate. Many, many > > > > > countries have a fertility rate less than the replacement rate, > > > > > leading long-term to a declining population. Here's a list: > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_fer... > > > Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. 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