I'm picking up a copy of Steinhardt and Turok's book from the library
so I'll let you know what it says about black holes.

On Dec 8, 10:27 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There must be an answer to black holes and where thier captured/devoured
> energy goes in this jumble somewhere...though I did not see it.  I anyone
> has that info...please send it my way:)
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> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Here is some information on the big collision hypothesis and a link to
> > the page. Google Paul Steinhardt and Neil Turok, the creators of this
> > idea for more information. Steinhardt and Turok also wrote a popular
> > account in book form. I suggest that we read it next for the book
> > club, since it gives a hypothetical answer as to what happened before
> > the big bang.
>
> >http://www.actionbioscience.org/newfrontiers/steinhardt.html
>
> > The cyclic universe model
>
> > In this context, a new paradigm has been recently proposed by Paul
> > Steinhardt (Princeton) and Neil Turok (Cambridge) —the cyclic universe
> > — that turns the conventional picture topsy-turvy.2 (Perhaps the model
> > should be called an old paradigm since it reinvigorates ancient cosmic
> > mythologies and philosophies, albeit using the tools of 21st century
> > physics.) In this picture:
> > ·       space and time exist forever
> > ·       the big bang is not the beginning of time; rather, it is a bridge
> > to
> > a pre-existing contracting era
> > ·       the Universe undergoes an endless sequence of cycles in which it
> > contracts in a big crunch and re-emerges in an expanding big bang,
> > with trillions of years of evolution in between
> > ·       the temperature and density of the universe do not become infinite
> > at any point in the cycle; indeed, they never exceed a finite bound
> > (about a trillion trillion degrees)
> > ·       no inflation has taken place since the big bang; the current
> > homogeneity and flatness were created by events that occurred before
> > the most recent big bang
> > ·       the seeds for galaxy formation were created by instabilities
> > arising
> > as the Universe was collapsing towards a big crunch, prior to our big
> > bang
> > The new model provides insight into some questions unanswered by the
> > Big Bang theory.
> > The prospects for an alternative cosmology that is so different from
> > the well-The prospects for an alternative cosmology that is so
> > different from the well-established convention would seem extremely
> > dim. Yet, the cyclic model recoups all of the successful predictions
> > of the big bang/inflationary theory and has sufficient additional
> > predictive power to address many questions which the big bang/
> > inflationary model does not address at all:
> > ·       What occurred at the initial singularity?
> > ·       What is the ultimate fate of the Universe?
> > ·       What is the role of dark energy and the recently observed cosmic
> > acceleration?
> > ·       Does time, and the arrow of time, exist before the big bang? or
> > after the big crunch?
> > In the new paradigm, each cycle proceeds through a period of radiation
> > and matter domination consistent with standard cosmology, producing
> > the observed primordial abundance of elements, the cosmic microwave
> > background, the expansion of galaxies, etc. For the next trillion
> > years or more, the Universe undergoes a period of slow cosmic
> > acceleration (as detected in recent observations1), which ultimately
> > empties the Universe of all of the entropy and black holes produced in
> > the preceding cycle and triggers the events that lead to contraction
> > and a big crunch. Note that dark energy is not simply added on — it
> > plays an essential role. The transition from big crunch to big bang
> > automatically replenishes the Universe by creating new matter and
> > radiation. Gravity and the transition from big crunch to big bang keep
> > the cycles going forever. In fact, as will be discussed, the cyclic
> > behavior is a strong attractor. That is, even if the Universe were
> > disrupted from its periodic behavior, it would rapidly reconverge to
> > the cyclic solution.
>
> > In the new paradigm, each cycle proceeds through a period of radiation
> > and matter domination consistent with standard cosmology, producing
> > the observed primordial abundance of elements, the cosmic microwave
> > background, the expansion of galaxies, etc. For the next trillion
> > years or more, the Universe undergoes a period of slow cosmic
> > acceleration (as detected in recent observations1), which ultimately
> > empties the Universe of all of the entropy and black holes produced in
> > the preceding cycle and triggers the events that lead to contraction
> > and a big crunch. Note that dark energy is not simply added on — it
> > plays an essential role. The transition from big crunch to big bang
> > automatically replenishes the Universe by creating new matter and
> > radiation. Gravity and the transition from big crunch to big bang keep
> > the cycles going forever. In fact, as will be discussed, the cyclic
> > behavior is a strong attractor. That is, even if the Universe were
> > disrupted from its periodic behavior, it would rapidly reconverge to
> > the cyclic solution.
> > Superstring theory and the cyclic universe
> > The linchpin to the new paradigm is the transition from big crunch to
> > big bang. The transition was thought to be an impossible passage in
> > which the laws of physics blow up. However, recent developments in
> > superstring theory suggest that the cosmic singularity is otherwise,
> > as the two authors have argued in a recent paper with Justin Khoury
> > (Princeton), Burt Ovrut (Penn) and Nathan Seiberg (IAS).3 Superstring
> > theory relies on the idea that the Universe contains nine or ten
> > spatial dimensions, depending on the formulation, all but three of
> > which are curled up in a compact manifold of microscopic size. In this
> > framework, the big bang and big crunch may be an illusion. Expressed
> > in the usual variables of general relativity, it may appear that our
> > usual space and time are disappearing. However, viewed with the proper
> > variables, our usual space dimensions actually remain infinite and
> > time runs continuously. The transition from big crunch to big bang is
> > due, instead, to the collapse, bounce and re-expansion of one of the
> > extra dimensions. For example, in a variant known as M theory:
> > ·       the Universe consists of two branes (surfaces) bounding an extra
> > dimension, and the singularity corresponds to a collision and bounce
> > of the two branes
> > ·       the temperature and density of ordinary radiation and matter remain
> > finite at the bounce, and particles move continuously in a natural and
> > intuitive way
> > New cosmological possibilities
> > If superstring theory is proven to dispel the myth that the big bang
> > is the beginning of time, then it opens up new possibilities for the
> > cosmological history of the Universe. Six months ago, the "ekpyrotic
> > model"4 was proposed by Khoury, Ovrut, Steinhardt and Turok as one new
> > possibility based on the idea of making a universe from a single
> > collapse of the extra dimension. The cyclic model builds on lessons
> > learned from the ekpyrotic example to produce a picture with
> > remarkable predictive and explanatory power.
> > (c) 2002, Paul J. Steinhardt, Ph.D. An update by the author of a
> > previously published paper from his personal web page. See reprint
> > policy.
> > Paul J. Steinhardt, Ph.D., is a theoretical physicist in the
> > departments of Physics and Astrophysical Sciences at Princeton
> > University. His research spans problems in cosmology, astrophysics,
> > particle physics and condensed matter physics. He is a leading expert
> > on inflationary cosmology and other events in the very early universe.
> > His work led to the first inflationary models for the universe, to the
> > discovery that inflation can seed galaxy formation, and to new
> > observational tests. He also introduced the concept of quasicrystals
> > and pioneered the study of their structural and elastic properties.
> > Prior to his position at Princeton, Dr. Steinhardt served as the Mary
> > Amanda Word Professor of Physics at the University of Pennsylvania. He
> > is a member of the National Academy of Sciences, a Fellow of the
> > American Physics Society, and a member of the American Astronomical
> > Society.http://www.physics.princeton.edu/www/jh/research/
> > steinhardt_paul.html
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