Hi y'all - I agree with the first part of your post - Zimbabwe is
next.

As for the second - I disagree. "In every instance where the details
of a suicide are carefully and
meticulously examined it is directly caused by the wrong doing of
another or others. There are no suicides"

Not so. I have the right to die when I choose. I am not required to
divulge reasons. There maybe none. I may just have had enough and I'm
tired. It will be my decision.
In the Madoff case - he bears some guilt for the suicide of others.


On Dec 26, 3:51 pm, Morpheal <[email protected]> wrote:
> GUINEA’S JUNTA AS AN EXAMPLE OF CIVILIZATION’S FAILINGS:
>
> There has been some debate as to whether the world community should
> “talk” to Guinea’s junta, after its successful coup, taking over the
> government of that nation. It is a strange debate.
>
> We must keep in mind that what makes it a strange debate is that there
> is no proper and legal mechanism to overcome and bring down from power
> a truly corrupt and oppressive government.
> We do not live in a world where civilization has advanced to the
> extent that a people can prepare a case against a government, take it
> to a world court, and have the leader or government, removed by the
> world community, using legal means. That step in the advance of
> civilization might chance to come, someday, but likely not very soon.
> There are too many bad leaders and bad governments, which fear that
> they too would be removed from power for their actions in regard to
> violating their own people’s rights and the rights of other nations.
>
> Yes, of course, other nations could ask for a removal from power, if a
> leader in the community of nations, was overstepping peaceful bounds,
> and violating their fundamental rights. An alternative to war.
> Alternatives to war, such as the advent of peace keeping are very slow
> to come into effect. Millennia of acceptance of a constant condition
> of incessant conflict stood firmly in the way of establishing peace
> keeping efforts. The next step becomes peace enforcement. The
> effective policing of the world community to force peaceful
> resolution, by legal means, of sources of conflict. The global village
> needs the international policeman, the United Nations soldier, as much
> as any village needs its own local police. The alternative is the
> potential for violent chaos where those who are simply attempting to
> continue their day to day lives, including non combatants, women,
> children, and their livelihoods, are all made victims of violence.
> That lesson has been learned relatively late in the history of the
> human species. That in itself is a warning as to how the species has
> learned to so unquestioningly behave. The foundations upon which human
> civilization is built are somewhat shoddy, crumbling, and uncertain.
> If civilization is to remain standing, the edifice needs a lot of
> restorative work, with major changes to the foundation of ideas it is
> constructed upon.
>
> Once we have peace enforcement in place, and nations have to make
> their cases against one another by legal means, seeking legal
> resolution of their grievances against each other, we begin to build
> civilization upon a more solid foundation. Most of the atrocities, the
> mass destruction, the violent confrontations, that have filled the
> history books, could be averted by legal resolution of differences,
> according to universalizable principles that can be shown to be valid
> for all.
>
> As to Guinea, we must remember that only a  military coup or a
> successful civil uprising can do remove what is considered to be a bad
> government or leadership from power.  Civil uprisings tend to spill a
> lot of blood. Military coups are usually less bloody, and sometimes
> they are bloodless.
>
> Until the world empowers a legal mechanism for removing a leader or
> government that is acting wrongfully we must accept the legitimacy of
> coups and revolutions, judging them only by their subsequent actions.
> We must keep in mind that bad, usually corrupt, leadership or
> governments, can hold power while claiming democracy is in force,
> without any chance of being voted out by a popular vote. There are too
> many mechanisms available to assure continuance in power, by means of
> terror, and other corrupt practices, for the mere label of democracy
> to be an effective antidote for the poison of corruption.
>
> THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SUICIDE:
>
> There is in fact no such thing as “suicide”. That cause of death does
> not really exist. As difficult as it might be to comprehend people
> never actually simply choose to kill themselves. The label “suicide”
> really means only the fact that the murderer or murderers were not
> identified and perhaps were unidentifiable. The fact that the
> assailants left no actual physical mark upon the corpse does not
> lessen their guilt as to the act of murder. The lack of a wound, or
> physical evidence of an act of murder, does not repudiate the cause.
> In fact psychological and social violence, by others, is often the
> direct cause of death. The murderers sometimes take the sadistic
> stance of their actions being no more than a big joke, but that
> reveals a darker side to the function of humor in society. Humor too
> can be used to kill. Unfortunately few really understand the social
> and psychological mechanisms involved other than those who have
> survived an attempted murder. Most of those are not experts in the
> relevant fields of study. Most of their testimony on the subject would
> tend to be disregarded. The only difference ascribed to them, compared
> to the dead victims, is that they were considered to have been “tough
> enough” to withstand their assailants. Well, toughening up society to
> withstand murderous assailants that it refuses to recognize as such is
> not a very good answer to the problem. It certainly does not make for
> a better society. It does make it far more likely that more of the
> toughened up will become assailants themselves, and the causes of
> further deaths.
>
> I recall the case of a young married woman, living in Canada and a
> recent European immigrant, married to another immigrant of the same
> origins. When he decided he no longer wanted to be in the
> relationship, and wanted to pursue other personal social interests, he
> chose to use his social status in the ethnic group and the local
> community where they lived to cut her out socially, and to isolate her
> from those who were her friends. She was a kind, empathic, gentle,
> woman, devoted and loyal to her marriage. Finding herself thus
> socially rejected, essentially isolated, and with the additional
> difficulty of some language challenges creating even more of a sense
> of isolation, she killed herself. A typical case of murder. The ex
> husband who cut her so thoroughly out of all of her social
> connections, and completely out of both communities (ethnic and
> cultural) where she had any connections with other people and any
> chance of any support structures, was never charged with that murder,
> and never would be. He was permitted to date and marry another woman,
> whom he preferred, and to pursue his own bad habits to excess, without
> consequence. Society approved of his continued enjoyments of life, his
> continued membership in the social groups he maintained his social
> status within, and never chastised him for his wrongs and excesses. To
> this day he shows no remorse or recognition of his wrong doing. If
> anything the murderer has risen in status in the society in which he
> functions. This type of situation is not unusual.
>
> In another case one person actually was known to have assisted another
> to suicide in the hopes of gaining some money and possessions from
> that the deceased would leave behind. It was found that despite the
> physical illness of the victim being a factor, the method of the
> murderer was a consistent and well thought out plan how to lead the
> victim to death, and how to attempt profit from that eventuality.
> Nevertheless it was done in a manner that there was no physical
> evidence such that the murderer could be charged with murder. After
> all, psychological manipulation, and intention, as such, are
> insufficient to pin the murder rap on the murderer no matter how
> leading the actions of the murderer in fact were. The murderer was
> clearly somewhat psychopathic and ritualized the guilt into a peculiar
> commemorative ritual of the anniversary of the event of death
> deliberately taking on and expressing some of the characteristics of
> the deceased at the time of the anniversary each year.
>
> In another instance a person hung themselves, and the entire matter
> was considered accidental, even though the situation could never
> really occur by pure chance. The real story was a young and
> inexperienced person suffering constant erosion of self esteem by
> means of a lover’s demeaning, derogatory, comments. That combined with
> the tease of having and losing the object of strong emotional
> attachment in a culture of strong commitments and high levels of guilt
> concerning the formation and maintaining of lasting, rather than short
> term, relationships. A personality flaw of the other, but directed
> against a vulnerable victim. That and a tendency to torture with
> silence in disputes, refusing to enter into meaningful and difference
> resolving dialogue, but frustrating communication with long periods of
> refusing to communicate. Perhaps that victim ought to have been
> toughened up to resist such blatant and thoughtless attacks, but
> neither victim nor anyone else associated with the events would have
> even thought of that fact prior to the innocent’s murder by the
> other’s psychologically violent actions. The perpetrator of the murder
> went on to express that some personality flaw in other relationships.
> Each involved derogatory and demeaning, often public, behavior in
> relation to the other. Each involved an about face, change of mind,
> after consummating the relationship and making a commitment. The
> pattern repeated at least four or five times.  Fortunately none of the
> other victims were as vulnerable, and none of the others actually
> committed suicide.
>
> In another case a victim of financial fraud, with a feigned promise of
> relationship used as the lure, provided a clear example of how
> involved and complicated the attempt to murder the victim of fraud can
> actually become. Murder by means of driving the victim to suicide.
> Getting rid of the victim of a financial fraud, can often involve the
> attempt by the perpetrator and those they are in collusion and
> conspiracy with, striving to cause the untimely death of the victim of
> fraud. A common way by means of which those practicing fraud tend to
> seek to bury the matter. Certainly a method for avoiding having to
> return the money, and potentially having to pay other damages in civil
> litigation, as well as avoiding probability of criminal charges by the
> victim. Of course tangled up in being murdered is not a good situation
> for someone who is a victim to be able to formulate and press legal
> charges, taking effective action, against the defrauders, who have
> become would be murderers. Fighting for one’s existence tends to put
> such distant technicalities aside during any battle for survival,
> until it is too late to act otherwise on the original matter of having
> been cheated out of one’s money.  The mechanisms utilized in such
> attempted murders, tend to be effective in most instances. So there
> are very few survivors and the mechanisms are so complicated that it
> is beyond this article to even begin to discuss them, nor is it
> appropriate as some things are best not taught and learned,
> considering it be a primer in criminality.
>
> In every instance where the details of a suicide are carefully and
> meticulously examined it is directly caused by the wrong doing of
> another or others. There are no suicides, but there are many murders,
> where people are killed for personal, social, or avaricious reasons,
> by means other than direct physical attack. We must, as a society, as
> a world community, begin to recognize that fact, that there are no
> suicides. None whatsoever. Every instance has a murderer or murderers
> involved, and criminology must change its approach to the problem
> accordingly.
>
> We are also seeing a time period when those who give voice to
> unpopular and sometimes radical ideas are finding themselves
> increasingly disconnected with social, economic, and relationship
> opportunities, being cut off from most or all of society, while being
> increasingly demeaned in the persistent attempt to erode self esteem
> and undermine belief in self by means of isolation and attack on the
> psyche. This is particularly true of those who choose to disagree with
> American ideology, in various parts of the world. That peculiar trend
> is difficult to discern and understand without specialized training,
> and so it remains largely unchallenged. In fact it is an increasingly
> prevalent condition affecting what are largely American dominated
> areas of the world, or areas that America seeks to dominate. It is
> simply systemic abuse, and a blatent human rights violation, but
> exceedingly difficult to prove and even harder to challenge. Those of
> us specially trained in what amounts to psychological warfare and
> withstanding of various modalities of brain washing can discern the
> “signature” of systemic abuse and its methods. “Signature” means it is
> consistent with a specific ideology, and promoting of that ideology.
> “Signature” does not imply definite knowledge of the source of the
> systemic abuse, but only the nature and intent being consistent with a
> system of beliefs and practices. We have to consider that the American
> attempt at world order is a murderer and we must allege that it is
> using suicide as its modus operendi regardless of who is “pushing” the
> ideology as such. We have seen this trend across a span of 20 years,
> and it has proven unrrelenting.
>
> So we must also consider the political factor in suicide statistics.
> Where suicide statistics are rising, and are particularly high, in
> comparison to averages in other areas and nations, politically
> motivated oppression and rampant systemic abuse is to be suspected.
> More than merely suspected, it is a certainty. Where individual human
> rights are ebbing out, invariably a tidal wave of suicides is rapidly
> rising.
>
> There are also cases where unwelcome minority religious beliefs,
> disability, or serious and potentially costly illness, have resulted
> in the hard and persistent shove, from behind, as the individual
> chances to walk along the edge of the abyss of ending a life. In
> effect that push is a being ended, not a self chosen ending of that
> life. We must also recognize that that is a persistent factor in the
> brutality that often emerges, inclusive of where expertise and
> privileged knowledge are involved, as to the thin veneer of what we
> call civilization and “human rights”. The right to die is more often
> the right to be murdered. The fact that the murderers leave no
> physical mark when they kill, and the fact that they are so
> manipulatively clever in their methods, does not obviate the fact that
> they murder others by social and psychological means.
>
> Robert Morpheal
>
> This article may be copied, distributed, reproduced, in any form, by
> any means, anywhere by anyone, and in fact anyone is encouraged to do
> so.
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