Whether or not shock and awe was out of Sun Tzu or not, Bush made some concessions to modern geopolitical realities by giving a shout before the attack. The surprise was lost (Sun Tzu uses surprise as one of his most important weapons) but we looked a bit better in the eyes of the world by offering not to attack if Sadam Hussien would agree to leave the country. THat way the whole thing could look like Saddam's fault. If he would just leave, we wouldn't need to attack.
Right now I am wondering whether or not the real Saddam did leave the country. Perhaps Bush wanted to attack under any circumstances. Perhaps the trial was just a show with a fake Saddam and the execution also faked. Well this is probably not the case but I rarely refrain from questioning the information we are fed. As for the current sittuation. I don't know if it was planned, but in the long run it may very well benefit the neocons. The mess is so bad, I don't know if it can be improved much in 4 or 8 years. Soon the masses will be ready the typical chicken hawk neocon candidates again. Hopefully Obama will be a wise comader in chief by using negotiation, embargos, threats of violence, violence and what ever other policies he need to use. It is funny to say that violence can make the world a more peaceful place, but sometimes the situation calls for it. In my opinion even premtion is a good tactic, when used properly. Bushes reckless use of preemption has made a good tactic look bad. On Jan 5, 2:57 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote: > Was "Shock and Awe" exposed, given a shout out, before it was implemented? I > can't remember. If so, it would not be as effective as Sun Tzu would use > it, which would be much quieter, and with more deciet. And, it would have > been effective because we would have know the enemy much better that we > did..as results have proven. Ha, I can see military history writers slapping > the Sun Tzu influence down in the final draft of Bush's story just to make > the shituation look like it was supposed to happen that way. Blah! > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Isparklaria <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Sun Tzu Lives! Okay so he probably never lived to begin with but this > > link goes to a page with some infomation about how much Sun Tzu has > > influenced battles that the American army has fougt in. It mentions > > Colonel John Boyd the greatest American military strategist and > > student of Sun Tzu's classic. > > >http://www.artofwarsuntzu.com/america_experiences_sun_tzu.htm > > > On Jan 5, 2:13 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Ha ha! *Caesar was both a proficient tactician and statesman!* Too bad > > they > > > killed him... You on the other hand...are a brilliant tease, vino expert, > > > and professional provacateur! > > > > Sun Tzu probably didn't exist...a lot like Jesus, but the work is > > attributed > > > to him anyway. Probably a compilation of good general's work as the > > > introduction explains. No matter, our goobers in the goverment should > > > incorporate it on principle. Wishful thinking again:) > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Clogtowner <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi y'all - my ancestors were very familiar with Caesar's methods.... > > > > Veni, Vidi, Vici. > > > > > On Jan 5, 12:54 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I may be one of the last people on Earth to read this thing, but I'm > > > > almost > > > > > through the Introduction section and hope someone else has in our > > group > > > > has > > > > > already read it... > > > > > > What got me to go ahead and read it was this passage that caught me > > on > > > > the > > > > > flip through... > > > > > > *"When Sun Tzu wrote, ware had become a dangerous business; the > > recouse > > > > when > > > > > other means had failed. The best policy, he says, is 'to atack the > > > > enemy's > > > > > plans'; the next best to disrupt his alliances, for 'to subdue the > > > > enemy's > > > > > army without fighting is the acme of skill'. This indicates his > > > > perception > > > > > that war was no longer a regulated pastime, but the ultimate > > instrument > > > > of > > > > > statecraft."* > > > > > > I am personally curious to how similar his methods were to Caesar's. > > > > Caesar > > > > > could'nt have read Sun Tzu due to the supposed time period of its > > > > > creation... but Napoleon did.... > > > > > > -- > > > > > gnothe se auton > > > > -- > > > gnothe se auton- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > gnothe se auton- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/memphisfreethoughtalliance?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
