For more about Sun Tsu, the standard source has some on him. http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Sun+Tsu I read his Art book many years ago. If you appreciate the general motif, any of the classics will further, from the Yellow Emperor to the I Ching...from the Tao Te Ching to any good book on the game of Go.
I had some wonderful books on Japanese art and architecture when I was a kid. I was always attracted to their esthetics too. I started to study Tai Chi around 1970 and have been an instructor for decades. http://www.taichifoundation.org/ Yes, this has its origins in China too. I first learned the game of Go in the late 1950s and never played chess after doing so. http://www.usgo.org/index.html And, yes even though it is the national game of Japan, it is believed to have originated at least 3,000 years ago in China. I studied 5 element acupuncture, admittedly of Chinese origin for a few years, after having studied Tibetan medicine for a few years too. http://worsleyacupuncture.com/ http://www.tibetanmedicine.com/index.html It was only after studying acupuncture that I finally groked Taoism. The cultures, while intertwined, have enormous differences. This is easily studied. On Jan 5, 1:27 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote: > Oh, I believe the trial was real we have to cover our asses to some > degree. I don't personally know of anyone that thinks Bush didn't fabricate > an excuse anymore, but I suppose you can find them up the road in the > closest baptist church. Check out the Great Derangement when you have > time...one link I posted had a free e version. I would be pissed if I was a > reporter in this era, how the hell would you know if what you see with your > own eyes is real? > > Pre-emptive strike is only used to effect if it can be successful.. this > Bush whack-job was not in the long perspective was it? It was a bitchslap > that hit the person standing next to the one you wanted to hit, respectively > eh? > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Isparklaria <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Whether or not shock and awe was out of Sun Tzu or not, Bush made some > > concessions to modern geopolitical realities by giving a shout before > > the attack. The surprise was lost (Sun Tzu uses surprise as one of his > > most important weapons) but we looked a bit better in the eyes of the > > world by offering not to attack if Sadam Hussien would agree to leave > > the country. THat way the whole thing could look like Saddam's fault. > > If he would just leave, we wouldn't need to attack. > > > Right now I am wondering whether or not the real Saddam did leave the > > country. Perhaps Bush wanted to attack under any circumstances. > > Perhaps the trial was just a show with a fake Saddam and the execution > > also faked. Well this is probably not the case but I rarely refrain > > from questioning the information we are fed. > > > As for the current sittuation. I don't know if it was planned, but in > > the long run it may very well benefit the neocons. The mess is so bad, > > I don't know if it can be improved much in 4 or 8 years. Soon the > > masses will be ready the typical chicken hawk neocon candidates again. > > Hopefully Obama will be a wise comader in chief by using negotiation, > > embargos, threats of violence, violence and what ever other policies > > he need to use. It is funny to say that violence can make the world a > > more peaceful place, but sometimes the situation calls for it. In my > > opinion even premtion is a good tactic, when used properly. Bushes > > reckless use of preemption has made a good tactic look bad. > > > On Jan 5, 2:57 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Was "Shock and Awe" exposed, given a shout out, before it was > > implemented? I > > > can't remember. If so, it would not be as effective as Sun Tzu would use > > > it, which would be much quieter, and with more deciet. And, it would > > have > > > been effective because we would have know the enemy much better that we > > > did..as results have proven. Ha, I can see military history writers > > slapping > > > the Sun Tzu influence down in the final draft of Bush's story just to > > make > > > the shituation look like it was supposed to happen that way. Blah! > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Isparklaria <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Sun Tzu Lives! Okay so he probably never lived to begin with but this > > > > link goes to a page with some infomation about how much Sun Tzu has > > > > influenced battles that the American army has fougt in. It mentions > > > > Colonel John Boyd the greatest American military strategist and > > > > student of Sun Tzu's classic. > > > > >http://www.artofwarsuntzu.com/america_experiences_sun_tzu.htm > > > > > On Jan 5, 2:13 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Ha ha! *Caesar was both a proficient tactician and statesman!* Too > > bad > > > > they > > > > > killed him... You on the other hand...are a brilliant tease, vino > > expert, > > > > > and professional provacateur! > > > > > > Sun Tzu probably didn't exist...a lot like Jesus, but the work is > > > > attributed > > > > > to him anyway. Probably a compilation of good general's work as the > > > > > introduction explains. No matter, our goobers in the goverment should > > > > > incorporate it on principle. Wishful thinking again:) > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Clogtowner <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi y'all - my ancestors were very familiar with Caesar's > > methods.... > > > > > > Veni, Vidi, Vici. > > > > > > > On Jan 5, 12:54 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I may be one of the last people on Earth to read this thing, but > > I'm > > > > > > almost > > > > > > > through the Introduction section and hope someone else has in our > > > > group > > > > > > has > > > > > > > already read it... > > > > > > > > What got me to go ahead and read it was this passage that caught > > me > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > flip through... > > > > > > > > *"When Sun Tzu wrote, ware had become a dangerous business; the > > > > recouse > > > > > > when > > > > > > > other means had failed. The best policy, he says, is 'to atack > > the > > > > > > enemy's > > > > > > > plans'; the next best to disrupt his alliances, for 'to subdue > > the > > > > > > enemy's > > > > > > > army without fighting is the acme of skill'. This indicates his > > > > > > perception > > > > > > > that war was no longer a regulated pastime, but the ultimate > > > > instrument > > > > > > of > > > > > > > statecraft."* > > > > > > > > I am personally curious to how similar his methods were to > > Caesar's. > > > > > > Caesar > > > > > > > could'nt have read Sun Tzu due to the supposed time period of its > > > > > > > creation... but Napoleon did.... > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > gnothe se auton > > > > > > -- > > > > > gnothe se auton- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > gnothe se auton- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > gnothe se auton- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. 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