Oh, I believe the trial was real we have to cover our asses to some degree. I don't personally know of anyone that thinks Bush didn't fabricate an excuse anymore, but I suppose you can find them up the road in the closest baptist church. Check out the Great Derangement when you have time...one link I posted had a free e version. I would be pissed if I was a reporter in this era, how the hell would you know if what you see with your own eyes is real?
Pre-emptive strike is only used to effect if it can be successful.. this Bush whack-job was not in the long perspective was it? It was a bitchslap that hit the person standing next to the one you wanted to hit, respectively eh? On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Isparklaria <[email protected]> wrote: > > Whether or not shock and awe was out of Sun Tzu or not, Bush made some > concessions to modern geopolitical realities by giving a shout before > the attack. The surprise was lost (Sun Tzu uses surprise as one of his > most important weapons) but we looked a bit better in the eyes of the > world by offering not to attack if Sadam Hussien would agree to leave > the country. THat way the whole thing could look like Saddam's fault. > If he would just leave, we wouldn't need to attack. > > Right now I am wondering whether or not the real Saddam did leave the > country. Perhaps Bush wanted to attack under any circumstances. > Perhaps the trial was just a show with a fake Saddam and the execution > also faked. Well this is probably not the case but I rarely refrain > from questioning the information we are fed. > > As for the current sittuation. I don't know if it was planned, but in > the long run it may very well benefit the neocons. The mess is so bad, > I don't know if it can be improved much in 4 or 8 years. Soon the > masses will be ready the typical chicken hawk neocon candidates again. > Hopefully Obama will be a wise comader in chief by using negotiation, > embargos, threats of violence, violence and what ever other policies > he need to use. It is funny to say that violence can make the world a > more peaceful place, but sometimes the situation calls for it. In my > opinion even premtion is a good tactic, when used properly. Bushes > reckless use of preemption has made a good tactic look bad. > > On Jan 5, 2:57 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote: > > Was "Shock and Awe" exposed, given a shout out, before it was > implemented? I > > can't remember. If so, it would not be as effective as Sun Tzu would use > > it, which would be much quieter, and with more deciet. And, it would > have > > been effective because we would have know the enemy much better that we > > did..as results have proven. Ha, I can see military history writers > slapping > > the Sun Tzu influence down in the final draft of Bush's story just to > make > > the shituation look like it was supposed to happen that way. Blah! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Isparklaria <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Sun Tzu Lives! Okay so he probably never lived to begin with but this > > > link goes to a page with some infomation about how much Sun Tzu has > > > influenced battles that the American army has fougt in. It mentions > > > Colonel John Boyd the greatest American military strategist and > > > student of Sun Tzu's classic. > > > > >http://www.artofwarsuntzu.com/america_experiences_sun_tzu.htm > > > > > On Jan 5, 2:13 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Ha ha! *Caesar was both a proficient tactician and statesman!* Too > bad > > > they > > > > killed him... You on the other hand...are a brilliant tease, vino > expert, > > > > and professional provacateur! > > > > > > Sun Tzu probably didn't exist...a lot like Jesus, but the work is > > > attributed > > > > to him anyway. Probably a compilation of good general's work as the > > > > introduction explains. No matter, our goobers in the goverment should > > > > incorporate it on principle. Wishful thinking again:) > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Clogtowner <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi y'all - my ancestors were very familiar with Caesar's > methods.... > > > > > Veni, Vidi, Vici. > > > > > > > On Jan 5, 12:54 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I may be one of the last people on Earth to read this thing, but > I'm > > > > > almost > > > > > > through the Introduction section and hope someone else has in our > > > group > > > > > has > > > > > > already read it... > > > > > > > > What got me to go ahead and read it was this passage that caught > me > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > flip through... > > > > > > > > *"When Sun Tzu wrote, ware had become a dangerous business; the > > > recouse > > > > > when > > > > > > other means had failed. The best policy, he says, is 'to atack > the > > > > > enemy's > > > > > > plans'; the next best to disrupt his alliances, for 'to subdue > the > > > > > enemy's > > > > > > army without fighting is the acme of skill'. This indicates his > > > > > perception > > > > > > that war was no longer a regulated pastime, but the ultimate > > > instrument > > > > > of > > > > > > statecraft."* > > > > > > > > I am personally curious to how similar his methods were to > Caesar's. > > > > > Caesar > > > > > > could'nt have read Sun Tzu due to the supposed time period of its > > > > > > creation... but Napoleon did.... > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > gnothe se auton > > > > > > -- > > > > gnothe se auton- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > gnothe se auton- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- gnothe se auton --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. 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