Oh, I believe the trial was real we have to cover our asses to some
degree. I don't personally know of anyone that thinks Bush didn't fabricate
an excuse anymore, but I suppose you can find them up the road in the
closest baptist church. Check out the Great Derangement when you have
time...one link I posted had a free e version.  I would be pissed if I was a
reporter in this era, how the hell would you know if what you see with your
own eyes is real?

Pre-emptive strike is only used to effect if it can be successful.. this
Bush whack-job was not in the long perspective was it? It was a bitchslap
that hit the person standing next to the one you wanted to hit, respectively
eh?




On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Isparklaria <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Whether or not shock and awe was out of Sun Tzu or not, Bush made some
> concessions to modern geopolitical realities by giving a shout before
> the attack. The surprise was lost (Sun Tzu uses surprise as one of his
> most important weapons) but we looked a bit better in the eyes of the
> world by offering not to attack if Sadam Hussien would agree to leave
> the country. THat way the whole thing could look like Saddam's fault.
> If he would just leave, we wouldn't need to attack.
>
> Right now I am wondering whether or not the real Saddam did leave the
> country. Perhaps Bush wanted to attack under any circumstances.
> Perhaps the trial was just a show with a fake Saddam and the execution
> also faked. Well this is probably not the case but I rarely refrain
> from questioning the information we are fed.
>
> As for the current sittuation. I don't know if it was planned, but in
> the long run it may very well benefit the neocons. The mess is so bad,
> I don't know if it can be improved much in 4 or 8 years. Soon the
> masses will be ready the typical chicken hawk neocon candidates again.
> Hopefully Obama will be a wise comader in chief by using negotiation,
> embargos, threats of violence, violence and what ever other policies
> he need to use. It is funny to say that violence can make the world a
> more peaceful place, but sometimes the situation calls for it. In my
> opinion even premtion is a good tactic, when used properly. Bushes
> reckless use of preemption has made a good tactic look bad.
>
> On Jan 5, 2:57 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Was "Shock and Awe" exposed, given a shout out, before it was
> implemented? I
> > can't remember.  If so, it would not be as effective as Sun Tzu would use
> > it, which would be much quieter, and with more deciet.  And, it would
> have
> > been effective because we would have know the enemy much better that we
> > did..as results have proven. Ha, I can see military history writers
> slapping
> > the Sun Tzu influence down in the final draft of Bush's story just to
> make
> > the shituation look like it was supposed to happen that way.  Blah!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>  > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Isparklaria <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Sun Tzu Lives! Okay so he probably never lived to begin with but this
> > > link goes to a page with some infomation about how much Sun Tzu has
> > > influenced battles that the American army has fougt in. It mentions
> > > Colonel John Boyd the greatest American military strategist and
> > > student of Sun Tzu's classic.
> >
> > >http://www.artofwarsuntzu.com/america_experiences_sun_tzu.htm
> >
> > > On Jan 5, 2:13 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > Ha ha! *Caesar was both a proficient tactician and statesman!* Too
> bad
> > > they
> > > > killed him... You on the other hand...are a brilliant tease, vino
> expert,
> > > > and professional provacateur!
> >
> > > > Sun Tzu probably didn't exist...a lot like Jesus, but the work is
> > > attributed
> > > > to him anyway.  Probably a compilation of good general's work as the
> > > > introduction explains. No matter, our goobers in the goverment should
> > > > incorporate it on principle.  Wishful thinking again:)
> >
> > >  > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Clogtowner <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > Hi y'all - my ancestors were very familiar with Caesar's
> methods....
> > > > > Veni, Vidi, Vici.
> >
> > > > > On Jan 5, 12:54 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > I may be one of the last people on Earth to read this thing, but
> I'm
> > > > > almost
> > > > > > through the Introduction section and hope someone else has in our
> > > group
> > > > > has
> > > > > > already read it...
> >
> > > > > > What got me to go ahead and read it was this passage that caught
> me
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > flip through...
> >
> > > > > > *"When Sun Tzu wrote, ware had become a dangerous business; the
> > > recouse
> > > > > when
> > > > > > other means had failed.  The best policy, he says, is 'to atack
> the
> > > > > enemy's
> > > > > > plans'; the next best to disrupt his alliances, for 'to subdue
> the
> > > > > enemy's
> > > > > > army without fighting is the acme of skill'. This indicates his
> > > > > perception
> > > > > > that war was no longer a regulated pastime, but the ultimate
> > > instrument
> > > > > of
> > > > > > statecraft."*
> >
> > > > > > I am personally curious to how similar his methods were to
> Caesar's.
> > > > >  Caesar
> > > > > > could'nt have read Sun Tzu due to the supposed time period of its
> > > > > > creation... but Napoleon did....
> >
> > > > > > --
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> >
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