Tom, Have the new primer pump. Will check rubber down stream of it. Thanks, Chris
tom savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: > Obviously something other than idle adjust needs done. Is there some GIZMO > that controls idle when a load is put on (A/C, reverse (no acceleration in > reverse, just reverse and idle backwards (down hill - still stalls!))) > and/or would also cause the rhythmic idling? I don't know about the existance of any gizmos (would an '85 have the newer (MW?) IP?), but I went through a similar situation with my '82 300D a few years ago. Turned out to be a leaking primer pump letting air into the fuel stream. Only happened with a cold engine in cold ambient temps; it was fine when either warmed up a bit. Next winter it did the same thing again, as a hose clamp had managed to wear a tiny hole in the short fuel line between the prefilter and the IP. So if you've got the old style primer pump and it leaks when you use it, I'd call it highly suspect. Ditto any old rubber downstream of the IP. Hope this helps, Tom '82 300D valve body on kitchen table '96 Passat TDI getting IP timing reset on Sunday _______________________________________ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, "Rose" -1987 300TD, 150K, "Rotkäppchen" -1985 300SD, 209K, "Wulf" -1976 240D, ?K, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21" Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger" --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Nov 17 16:37:00 2005 Received: from fed1rmmtao10.cox.net ([68.230.241.29]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ecmku-0003fG-4a for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:37:00 +0000 Received: from familycomp ([68.106.48.86]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:36:20 -0500 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:36:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: [MBZ] Fuel Shutoff Valve Replacement X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes mailing list <mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net> List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:37:00 -0000 Where in the shop manual is the replacement of the fuel shutoff valve = addressed?=20 I can't find it. I did this a LONG time ago ( probably was successful = due to beginners luck) and I know it must be done just so or bad things = happen. Thanks Bob Rentfro '77 300D 142K Litchfield Park, AZ From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Nov 17 16:39:19 2005 Received: from web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.200.69]) by server1.arterytc1.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ecmn9-0003m2-4b for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:39:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 60522 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2005 16:39:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YQb39sWSZ/yCApd3KWrVGzSdg9yddeSMjiMkuQOy2PB0i6jAhn9RKyXCvkbQ1//ubp503AwpuA8+s2UObUGk6DWTAJHvOlpEKNsJFCi2ituAwP44LPoLV0rlo2dj5d+qFwPyaDRCchjBgOLNtFUXP3188GJT3nBov5rn21SpS5Q= ; Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from [66.140.70.226] by web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:39:14 PST Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:39:14 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] idle insanity! X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes mailing list <mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net> List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:39:19 -0000 Steve, 1. new style primer pump, so that's not it. 2. will look for leaks 3. idle adjustment in harmony with racker damper bolt...this could be it. The rack damper bolt was upgraded to the new (my Indy knew what it was) and that was the start of the stall problem. To cure the stall, he adjusted idle - twice...yes, bet he needs to fiddle with damper bolt again. Sounds like a PITA. Thanks, Chris Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I had a similar but not identical problem with my 116 SD. My suggestions are strictly seat o' the pants YMMV, etc. First, are you certain there is no air getting into the system, for example is your primer pump in good shape (and does it screw-lock into position after use, if it's the old style)? This can cause the behaviour you describe, tho why it would go away when warm baffles the hell out of me. As to adjusting the idle, my *understanding* of how the idle control works on the turbodiesels, is that the idle adjustment (the screw on the engine side of the pump) has to be adjusted in harmony with the rack damper bolt at the rear end of the pump. I had a devil of a time to get my ex-Kaleb 126 SD to behave at idle, and it took two or three tries experimenting with different idle speeds/bolt adjustments to get it just right. Your indy may not want to touch that bolt. Hell, he may not even know what it is. Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Two problems with the SD re: idle: > > 1. When engine is cold (not ambient brrrrrr cold, just room temp, but worse > when truly COLD) it idles fine BUT as soon as I put it in reverse (or turn on > the A/C in hot weather), the idle drops and the car usually stalls. Will stall > at about 450 RPM. > > 2. Let's say we start the car and no reverse or A/C is needed, the idle is > fine...we drive 1-3 miles. Come to a stop and the idle is PULSATING between, > say, 550-700 or so...just revving between those two engine speeds, > rhytmiically, on its own. I would say 1 complete rev cycle per 1.5 seconds. > > 3. Drive it a bit more, get the engine hot and the rhythmic idle goes away as > does the reverse stall problem. > > Took to my Indy today. He said, "Adjust Idle". OK. It was cold (engine and 0 > degrees C out), car starts, put in reverse, get halwayt out of the parking > spot - STALL. Drive a few miles to my friend's house, park it and lo and > behold, the rythmic idle rec described above. > > Obviously something other than idle adjust needs done. Is there some GIZMO > that controls idle when a load is put on (A/C, reverse (no acceleration in > reverse, just reverse and idle backwards (down hill - still stalls!))) and/or > would also cause the rhythmic idling? > > Please help! Have had idle adjusted twice (with no effect) and I have no idea > what the problem is. Would like to get some list opinions to take with me when > I go back to my Indy tomorrow. > > Thanks a million, > > Chris > _______________________________________ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, "Rose" -1987 300TD, 150K, "Rotkäppchen" -1985 300SD, 209K, "Wulf" -1976 240D, ?K, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21" Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger" --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. 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Must I now sing soprano? Fred Moir Lynn MA Studying the history of MBZ in opera >you failed > >frederick w moir wrote: > > > Testicle? Testicle? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > > > > > >-- >Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, > 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, > 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 >Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts > >_______________________________________ >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
