On Apr 16, 2013 4:02 PM, "David & Kristin Gilmore" <
dandkgilm...@frontier.com> wrote:
>
>
>      Also I am looking for thoughts on
> what I guess are the hydrocarbon
> substitutes for R 134, such as
> Envirosafe and Freeze 12.

Freeze 12 is not a hydrocarbon and is not recommended for R134 systems.
ES-12 will work, but why not just use 134?

Or did you mistype and you're asking about R-12 substitutes?  In that case
stay far away from Freeze 12 -- it's a mixture of R134 and various snake
oils and will kill an R12 system.

Alex
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