It's a prize I would gladly not take if somehow we could time machine backward and prevent the crash.
The old adage in aviation is "All accidents happen on the ground before takeoff" to often is true. Somewhere, someone, or a group of someones set the stage for things to go wrong... then Murphy decided to visit, as always at the worst possible moment. The four most worthless things in aviation are: Planning not done, runway behind you, altitude above you, and fuel not in the tank. I still have friends that are FAA crash investigators and if the location were anywhere but Iraq, I could call and get details. Not likely in this instance, however. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Rich Thomas < richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: > I saw a posting that said the pilot reported a cargo shift before it > crashed. Gmann wins the prize. > > --R > > > > On 5/1/13 12:00 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: > >> Yes there was an article I just read on the WSJ said it was a 747-248. >> >> --R >> >> >> On 4/30/13 11:35 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: >> >>> Daniel said it was a 747. >>> >>> Bob R >>> On Apr 30, 2013 7:03 PM, <dsereta...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> That was a very disturbing video. Wow. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>> I don't have speakers connected to my computer here in the office so I >>>>> >>>> watched it in silence and could not hear the engines. I had to wonder >>>> if it >>>> lost power as it just seemed to lose forward momentum. >>>> >>>>> I hope they had a list of those on board somewhere because I doubt they >>>>> >>>> are going to find much left of the poor souls after that hti and fire. >>>> >>>>> Randy >>>>> >>>>> On 30/04/2013 4:10 PM, G Mann wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As a pilot, it looks to me like a pretty classic departure stall >>>>>> >>>>> sequence. >>>> >>>>> Nose high, low speed, full power, perhaps a drastic change in weight >>>>>> and >>>>>> balance due to cargo shift?. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not sufficient airspeed or altitude for recovery. Note the roll to the >>>>>> right as the wing lost lift and stall/ spin entry was started, >>>>>> followed >>>>>> >>>>> by >>>> >>>>> sharp nose down recovery attempt. Nose down would let speed build and >>>>>> regain lift, the airplane rolls level, appears that power goes full >>>>>> on, >>>>>> again to recover flying speed.. but they just ran out of altitude. >>>>>> >>>>>> It appears that ground contact was made under full power but less than >>>>>> flying speed for the weight of the aircraft. >>>>>> >>>>>> My sincere condolences to the families of the crew. Another bad day in >>>>>> aviation, perhaps brought on by a combat climb out profile and density >>>>>> altitude [hot air has less lift]. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Rich Thomas < >>>>>> richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net<richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Looks like the stick never released, got stuck nose up -- is that an >>>>>>> Airbus? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.mediaite.com/****online/must-see-unbelievable-****<http://www.mediaite.com/**online/must-see-unbelievable-**> >>>>>>> footage-of-plane-crash-at-****baghram-airbase-in-****afghanistan/< >>>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.mediaite.com/**online/must-see-unbelievable-** >>>> footage-of-plane-crash-at-**baghram-airbase-in-**afghanistan/<http://www.mediaite.com/online/must-see-unbelievable-footage-of-plane-crash-at-baghram-airbase-in-afghanistan/> >>>> >>>>> --R >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>>>> To search list archives >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/<http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com<http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> >>>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>>> To search list archives >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/<http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com<http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives >>> http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/<http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com<http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________**_________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives >> http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/<http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com<http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> >> >> > > ______________________________**_________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/<http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com<http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
