I would agree with pretty much everything said, and that's coming from someone 
who has been a Mac person long before it was fashionable.

I could justify $1000 for a refurb iMac six or seven years ago because I knew 
it would serve me for at least that long. With the rapid release of OS' over 
the past three or four years Apple's hardware becomes obsolete far faster. With 
this in mind, coupled with the rising prices, it no longer makes sense to drop 
$2k on a 27" iMac that will be unsupported after four or five years.

I have my Mac Pro 1,1 running OS X 10.7 which serves me well. I don't see any 
reason to move ahead at this point, considering the expense of upgrading 
hardware.

This machine cost me $400. With the price to enter the current game with an 
iMac being well past the $1000 mark, even with refurbs, it just doesn't make 
good sense.

Meanwhile, I have a home built i7 920, 12GB RAM, a 128GB SSD, a RAID 0, running 
WIN7 Pro, most of which I got for free, sitting idle most of the time. If I 
have to move over to it in order to get things done, I will.

Apple saddens me.

Dan

> On Oct 30, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> I think its unfair to say that I hate Macs, I think Apple makes robust 
> hardware but I also think the love that the average Mac fanboy gives is 
> missplaced.
> Face it, Apple is going to break your wallet every 5 years or so. If you want 
> to keep up with the rest of the world (for surfing or running new software or 
> whatever) Apple will absolutely force you to upgrade at 5 years MAX because 
> they'll abandon you.
> 
> Has MIcrosoft done that? Absolutely NOT. WinXP is still seeing reasonably 
> good support for an OS thats 11 years old. In that time Apple has put out 7 
> or 8 versions of OS 10 and dropped support for who knows how many platforms. 
> When Microsoft leaves you its just because no new drivers get written for 
> your hardware, maybe somebody in the wild can work something up. When Apple 
> leaves you the OS detects your hardware platform and DENYS you.
> 
> I know I can get adapters and really the two that gall me are firewire and an 
> RJ45 for Ethernet, I'd forgotten there was an HDMI port. Two years ago Apple 
> told us Firewire 800 was the bee's knees and we should all invest in it, now 
> its "oh no, you really wanted Thunderbolt..."
> 
> Windows 7 is a very good OS (8 sucks but that was to be expected) and is as 
> stable as 10.6+ and has much better third party support. Software support for 
> Macs will always be limited because Apple treats third party developers 
> poorly. I've now worked for 3 third party developers (admittedly 2 were 
> competitors) and apple seems to honestly enjoy pulling the rug out from under 
> them.
> Win7 is more configurable and gives way more kernel level support.
> BTW, want to boot a PC to Linux on a key drive as a live disk (as I'm doing 
> right now)? Easy. Want it on a Mac? Can't be done, Apple doesn't want you 
> doing that...
> 
> I'm not saying Windows is a perfect OS but its a big world and there are 
> choices for everybody.
> 
> I did spend some time at Frys the other day looking at the $250 Chromebook. 
> Nice little laptop for the money...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 09:00:23 -0700
> From: Alex Chamberlain <apchamberl...@gmail.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] M(ac)B question
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>> On Oct 29, 2013 8:42 AM, "Curt Raymond" <curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> t I'm starting to think my Retina
>> Macbook Pro was a mistake,
>> everything about it is a pain in the ass,
>> no optical drive, no firewire, stupid
>> external monitor port nobody else
>> uses.
> 
> You can get converters to HDMI and FireWire easily enough.  The ports on
> the MBP are going to be the next standards and like it or not Apple is
> leading the way as they did with USB and FireWire in the '90s and '00s.
> 
> Or are you just trolling?  We already know you hate Macs, Curt.
> 
> Honestly I can't imagine why anyone defends Microsoft or the Wintel
> ecosystem.  The only reasonable responses to Windows range from disgust to
> indifference.  Anyone who actually likes Windows has a screw loose.
> 
> Alex
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