Slow down and repeat that, please.  That's a lot to absorb...

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:45 PM, WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com> wrote:

> The rubber, fabric-covered lines are RETURN lines; the bent steel ones are
> injector SUPPLY lines.   ;<)
>
> Wilton
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "ernest breakfield" <erne...@backyardengineering.org>; "Mercedes
> Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 4:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
>
>
>
>  You mean the bent metal lines to the injectors?  Or the flexible
>> rubber/cloth lines between each injector?
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>  be careful what you "clean the engine" with; the stock return lines are
>>> pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners.
>>>
>>>     i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that are
>>> in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with known
>>> new
>>> good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on
>>> the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way to
>>> eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak.
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers!
>>> e
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>>  Great input - thanks.  Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for
>>>> the fuel to appear.  The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every
>>>> other
>>>> case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored).  Mine are still
>>>> dry
>>>> and white from one end to the other.
>>>>
>>>> This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with
>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and
>>>>
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>>  go for replacement, then replace all the injectors.  Or better yet,
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> them rebuilt by someone competent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible.  I
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very
>>>>>> poorly, nailing and knocking.  The injectors looked recently installed
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> with new nozzles anyway.  Huge improvement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck,
>>>>>> Jaime
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not
>>>>>>
>>>>> seated
>>>>> properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never
>>>>> from
>>>>> the body of an injector.  If the nozzles and nozzle holders are
>>>>> un-fiddled
>>>>> with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the
>>>>> leak,
>>>>> (99%)  If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the
>>>>> they
>>>>> may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking.
>>>>>
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