yeah, but high mielage badges are WAY cooler. Know of a guy with  900,000+ 
miles on his VW (he travels alot and stops at our church from  time to time and 
I STILL haven't met him) anyway, he wrote to VW when  he hit 400,000 miles and 
they sent him a t-shirt...NICE. He never wrote  back.
  
  Chris

"Potter, Tom  E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  It sounds like M-B has picked up 
on a VW idea. You have been able to get
a VW "Birth Certificate" for several years.

Tom Potter

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She wouldn't lie to me, so that's out. Now, she may really not have  noticed, 
but she called me when the low coolant light came on (and  there is still 
coolant in the pressure tank at that point) and she said  it was at 100 then. 
She watched it all the way home and it did not go  above 100. SO I think it's 
OK there.
  
  Chris.

Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  > How about trying the old - "loosen 
and re-torque" the head bolts
> trick? Could it hurt anything?

I tried that with my BMW (gasp, sacrilege!) that I owned years ago. BIG 
MISTAKE. If anything, I would check the torque with an accurate torque 
wrench. More than likely it is time for a head gasket, or worse. Did it get 
overheated? SWMBO may have overheated it and *forgot* to tell you....
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Anyone else care to chime in on this suggestion? Marshall, any thoughts  on 
putting stuff in the coolant - or does this go on the outside, like  some sort 
of epoxy? I think it is the glass beaded stuff that does in  the coolant.
  
  Wonder if using water wettter (which I do) exacerbates this  problem...it 
could as it breaks down surface tension...water  leakier...?????
  
  Thanks, 
  
  Chris

Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Glass bead head gasket sealer sounds 
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most parts stores and I have used it many times for minor head gasket issues 
with good results.

Mike

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Vacation nixed, oh well.

  I tracked down where the 87 300TD is loosing coolant from - the head 
gasket right rear corner (if facing the car). About 1 cup/week for my 
wife's very short trips around town. About 2 weeks ago I took it for  about 
a 50 mile trip (more than my wife drives per week), taking it up  to 112 mph 
and lost almost no coolant.

  SO, it is almost certainly getting out at start up and warm up. Once hot, 
it seems to seal up.

  1) Since this is not a "forever" car for me...can I safely let this go and 
just add a cup of G-05/water every week?
  2) I would not dream of using any kind of radiator stop leak unless  there 
is one known to be safe for our cars and some people had  experience with 
it.

  Any ideas?

  Thanks,

  Chris

Christopher McCann  wrote:Off  on my trip. Bad weather 
in the mountains right now will probably cut  out every scenic stop on the 
way there...maybe in a week it will clear  up and I can still take the 
return scenic trip.

  "see" y'all on the 20th.

  Chris


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-1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, "Nanook"
-1987 300TD, 151K, "Rotkäppchen"
-1985 300SD, 212K, "Wulf"
-1976 240D, ?K, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen)
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revised heds are vastly superior (#17 and #19)...but are you saying the new 
gaskets are superior?
  
  Chris

Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  You will no doubt require an R&R of the 
headgasket--it's the only
reliable solution.  I recently pulled the original head/headgasket @
211k.  The original headgasket was completely toast in several areas,
and the revised units are vastly superior in every way imaginable.

On 3/12/06, Christopher McCann  wrote:
> Vacation nixed, oh well.
>
>  I tracked down where the 87 300TD is loosing coolant from - the head  gasket 
> right rear corner (if facing the car). About 1 cup/week for my  wife's very 
> short trips around town. About 2 weeks ago I took it for  about a 50 mile 
> trip (more than my wife drives per week), taking it up  to 112 mph and lost 
> almost no coolant.

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (210k)
Gashuffer:
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yes, it's a diesel, someone else brought up a gasser. ok, that answers  my 
question about the gasket. Yes, #14. Well, win with brake torsion  bar, lose 
with head. We'll see.
  
  ANy opinion on the glass bead stuff?
  
  Chris

"Dave M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The loosen & retorque tricke worked OK on 
my old VW diesel, of course
that only has 10 head bolts total, lol. And it only helped the issue -
didn't cure it entirely.

Anyway, the OM603 head bolts (al 27 of them, IIRC) are a
torque-to-yield type. Loosen about 3/4 to 1 turn in reverse pattern,
torque to 15Nm through pattern,  then torque to 35Nm,  turn 90
degrees, wait 10 minutes, turn a final 90 degrees. I've never heard of
this being done on an OM603 but if you really REALLY don't want to
pull the head, it may not hurt to attempt it.

FYI, the head gaskets were revised 5 times, one of the revisions was
to provide a better seal at the coolant passage behind cyl #6, where
your leak is. I'd pull the head & replace the gasket. Be prepared for
unexpected, unpleasant surprises (read: cracks) if the head is a #14.

:-)

-Dave M.

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> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:33:00 -0600
> From: "Rick Knoble" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
>
> > How about trying the old - "loosen and re-torque" the head bolts
> > trick? Could it hurt anything?
>
> I tried that with my BMW (gasp, sacrilege!) that I owned years ago. BIG
> MISTAKE. If anything, I would check the torque with an accurate torque
> wrench. More than likely it is time for a head gasket, or worse. Did it get
> overheated? SWMBO may have overheated it and *forgot* to tell you....
> Rick Knoble
> '85 300 CD
> '87 190 DT

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Chris,

The low coolant light comes on when the level in the reserve tank drops
enough for the switch to open. Unless you have just sprung a major leak &
your coolant has fallen rapidly then you are usually OK.

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She wouldn't lie to me, so that's out. Now, she may really not have
noticed, but she called me when the low coolant light came on (and  there=
 is
still coolant in the pressure tank at that point) and she said  it was at
100 then. She watched it all the way home and it did not go  above 100. S=
O I
think it's OK there.

  Chris.

Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  > How about trying the old -
"loosen and re-torque" the head bolts
> trick? Could it hurt anything?

I tried that with my BMW (gasp, sacrilege!) that I owned years ago. BIG
MISTAKE. If anything, I would check the torque with an accurate torque
wrench. More than likely it is time for a head gasket, or worse. Did it g=
et
overheated? SWMBO may have overheated it and *forgot* to tell you....
Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT

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Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-2005 Blue Point Siamese, "Rose"
-1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, "Nanook"
-1987 300TD, 151K, "Rotk=E4ppchen"
-1985 300SD, 212K, "Wulf"
-1972 Jacobsen 21" Turbo Vent
-1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger"

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