Oak tress tend to die around here when the roots are disturbed, so keep
this in mind.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 2:24 AM G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> As you say, at this point, you have nothing to lose, so try this.
> Search Craigs List local to you for an electric chain saw, used and cheap.
> Or, buy a new one at Harbor Freight, new but cheap. You are going to
> sacrifice the blade and chain, in the next step.
>
> Spray paint a rectangle box on the ground around the broken water lines and
> across the offending tree roots...  Use the chain saw to make plunge cuts
> into the dirt along the paint lines to cut the roots and the dirt, and the
> water lines out of the "broken zone.
>
> Pick axe or shovel or what ever tool works to remove the dirt, cut tree
> roots sections, and broken pipe to "open the box of repair".
>
> Dig back at the ends to expose undamaged pipes for a clean glue and repair
> joint.  Repair the pipes... fill the hole.. done... almost..
> Go to harbor freight and buy a new bar and chain for the cheap chain
> saw.... now you have a handy tool ... or sell it cheap on Craigs List.. or
> donate it... you decide..
>
> I have used the plunge cut on 3 trees todate.... soon will do it to remove
> a palm tree which has huge root structure that is impossible to dig out....
> plunge cut a 4 side box and they pop out with a little effort. If you want,
> you can file the teeth on a "dirt saw" chain and dress them up enough to
> cut some more....  Harbor Freight has electric chain saws on sale often...
> $38 or so.
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 11:04 PM fmiser via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > Dan wrote:
> >
> > > Both lines are  surrounded with tree roots, as they’re barely 6’
> > > from an oak tree that is probably 24” in diameter. The roots of
> > > the tree have distorted and stressed the lines,
> >
> > > I can’t possibly cut the roots, as some are as large as 3”-4”
> > > surrounding these lines. To do so would risk damaging the rather
> > > fragile lines not to mention I would have to do some serious
> > > excavating to get enough space to get my chain saw at them.
> >
> > Use an ax.  Replace that whole section with Sch 80 pipe.  Put the
> > pipes in sand, and add zig-zags to allow pipe stretch.  That
> > should gain you a few years.
> >
> > > There’s no way I could dig them up and “bypass” the tree, as
> > > there’s really nowhere to go in close proximity that isn’t
> > > rootbound.
> >
> > Close proximity to a tree is NOT what you want if long service is
> > a goal.
> >
> > > Anyone else have an idea?
> >
> > It appears to me that _anything_ you do there would be short term
> > - 5 year max - as the tree and roots will tear up anything you
> > do.  Repairing the leak that's there will probably only last until
> > it is stretched more.  Like this summer.
> >
> > Get to that zone another way, or kill the tree and put in new
> > lines - or don't irrigate that zone.
> >
> > I think the tree will win no matter what you do unless you get at
> > least 15 - 20 ft away.
> >
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