Considering the track record, California will look like Cuba or Mexico with folks driving old (pre 2015) cars that are grandfathered. Political aristocracy excepted.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Allan Streib via Mercedes > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 2:35 PM > To: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: Allan Streib <astr...@indiana.edu> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by > 2035. > > I've heard this claim that electic cars can serve as a energy source during > demand peaks. But is any of the infrastructure to do this even past the theory > stage? > > The idea being there are a lot of EVs that are sitting around, plugged in, > and all > that stored energy could be used to help meet energy demand spikes on the > grid. > > How does the electic utility ask your car for its energy? Is any EV actually > capable of delivering energy back to the grid via its charging socket, or is > this a > new requirement to be imposed on manufacturers (adding to the price of the > vehicle)? > > What if I need to go somewhere at 6pm but I can't because my car's batteries > have just been drained by the late afternoon electrical demand peak? Maybe I > won't plug in my car until 9 or 10pm, just to avoid that potential hassle. > > It seems there are a lot of assumptions about things and capabilities that > don't > yet exist, as well as possible expectations that people won't behave in their > own self interest. > > Allan > > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> writes: > > > I dont think this is much of an issue. Most of the charging occurs at > > off peak times. It can also be scheduled to do so. Batteries can also > > be employed, including car batteries, to manage the load. And power > > infrastructure can also be upgraded, which is long overdue anyway in > > many areas, and already being reviewed due to forest fires. Solar is > > pretty good here and we often pay AZ to take it, so some daytime > > demand would actually be good. > > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 10:35 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Where will they get the power to charge all those electric cars? Do > >> we know that those power plants and distribution infrastructure will > >> be cleaner than IC cars? > >> > >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 07:50 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> > California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035. > >> > > >> > Gov. Gavin Newsom, who has made urgent calls this year for sweeping > >> > actions to curb carbon emissions as massive wildfires have > >> > devastated the West Coast, signed an order Wednesday aimed at > >> > helping to phase out combustion vehicles in the nation’s most > >> > populous state. The measure targets ending the sale of new > >> > gasoline- and diesel-powered passenger > >> cars > >> > in California by 2035. The Democratic governor said transitioning > >> > to zero-emissions vehicles would significantly reduce the state’s > >> > greenhouse gas output, about half of which comes from > >> > transportation. Currently, > >> less > >> > than 10% of all new vehicle sales in the state are electric. A > >> > leading auto-manufacturing lobbying group voiced support for > >> > expanding electric offerings but called for more consumer > >> > incentives and infrastructure investments to boost demand. > >> > > >> > > >> > --FT > >> > Sent from iPhone > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
