Agreed. Just as there are app developers out there who have come up with apps that “twitch” your mouse every few minutes, too.
-D > On Dec 4, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I've read about folks who have workstations that track active time, so if you > don't interact every 5 seconds or so it assumes you've left. Pretty good sign > it's time to get a new job... > > Curt > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 2:28 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > <mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: > Our HR department was reaching out to find some sort of application or > logging method to track employee’s time via Active Directory or VPN access. > > We pretty much told them “No” and explained that logging can’t be a means of > time racking, as it’s easy to spoof and doesn’t always relate directly to > specific operations or actions by a user. > > For example, our Cisco VPN client regularly logs on and off in the background > as a normal part of it’s operation. So that’s a service function, not a user > one. Does it mean the user wasn’t working? > > Slippery slope, for sure. > > -D > > > On Dec 4, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com > > <mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > > I keep a definite separation of church and state, 8 hours after I log in I > > log out and go do something else. > > Or sometimes, like hunting season, I take a couple hours off to hunt and > > log back in after dark. > > I think the hip and trendy term is "work/life balance". > > > > Curt > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers_wl=ym_sub1=Internal_sub2=Global_YGrowth_sub3=EmailSignature > > > > <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>> > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 2:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > > <mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: > > This is a common finding in the research on remote workers who work from > > home. They typically put in more hours because there’s no disconnect > > between home and work. There can also be concerns that there is a > > perception that if they’re not producing they’re not working. This is also > > something that’s come up in research as well. > > > > We’ve focused on task or project completion, not watching clocks, and that > > seems to work well. As my boss says, he doesn’t care where or how much you > > work as long as things get done and when expected. > > > > -D > > > > > On Dec 4, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com > > > <mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com> <mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com > > > <mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > > > > I was teleworking full time before I retired this summer and as you said, > > > missed the daily interactions with other humans. I also found that > > > working from home meant LONGER hours, since I had no reason to log out > > > and there was always a new email to open, which often kept me well beyond > > > 8 hours. > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:03 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes > > > <mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> > > > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>> wrote: > > > I would agree with this. I have a team that I work with, two of which are > > > younger people about 20 years my junior, and one who is a few years older > > > than me. We all get along well and have a lot of common interests, so the > > > social interaction was definitely a part of the work day. I definitely > > > miss that aspect of work. > > > > > > The other aspect that hasn’t been mentioned here is what I would describe > > > as a “separation of duties”, although that’s not the ideal description. > > > > > > I’m talking about the distinct delineation of “work” versus “home”. That > > > is, when I leave work, I’m done for the day both mentally and physically. > > > That’s not the case when you’re working from home. This is probably the > > > big negative for me when it comes to working from home. I like the > > > physical separation between the two environments. > > > > > > -D > > > > > > > On Dec 4, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > > > > <mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> > > > > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > I realized when I was at Lotus that I was working mostly with people > > > > who were not in my office so it really didn't matter much where I was. > > > > Instead of fighting traffic at 830 I would drop the kids at school, go > > > > home and work for a coupla hours, make phone calls, emails, work on > > > > computer stuff, whatever. Then I would head into the office for the > > > > afternoon and if I needed to meet with anyone I could do that. I got > > > > more done at home without the distractions, and dealing with colleagues > > > > in England or Europe was fine from home. It was a really nice sorta > > > > hybrid scheme. Working always from home got to be old, even though I > > > > got more done and it was relaxing and flexible, I missed the social > > > > interactions, random drop-in discussions, and serendipitous ideas that > > > > popped up being around other people and seeing them in the cafeteria or > > > > hallways. It was just easier in a lot of ways to get a job done being > > > > around others, at least for some things. > > > > > > > > IBM went to a remote work environment back in the late 90s, got rid of > > > > a lot of office space but still had some for meetings/conf rooms and > > > > hot desking if you needed to be somewhere with those resources. Most > > > > of the people were always traveling somewhere anyway so it did not make > > > > a lot of difference. I spent a lot of time in hotels, airports, > > > > airplanes, and off-site partners and our other offices so it was fine > > > > with me though I did (until I moved away) have an office at our main > > > > building in Cambridge with a killer view of Boston and the river. Plus > > > > I really liked a lot of the people I worked with so that was nice to be > > > > around friends. > > > > > > > > But yeah, the social interaction is a key factor not just in work but > > > > in lots of other things, I find that people are getting cranky and > > > > ill-behaved not having that. > > > > > > > > --FT > > > > > > > > On 12/4/20 9:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > > > >> And in a nutshell that’s what this company found. While the initial > > > >> approach was to let roughly 50% of the employees work remotely, about > > > >> a third of those ended up wanting to return t the office if I recall > > > >> correctly. Many of them were younger people whose social lives > > > >> involved relationships with their (work) peers. > > > >> > > > >> It was pretty interesting, I thought. > > > >> > > > >> -D > > > >> > > > >>> On Dec 4, 2020, at 9:17 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes > > > >>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > >>> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> > > > >>> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com > > > >>> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com><mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com > > > >>> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > >>> A wise company will do an intelligent mix. Those who do better > > > >>> working > > > >>> from home, work from home. 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