Our HR department was reaching out to find some sort of application or logging method to track employee’s time via Active Directory or VPN access.
We pretty much told them “No” and explained that logging can’t be a means of time racking, as it’s easy to spoof and doesn’t always relate directly to specific operations or actions by a user. For example, our Cisco VPN client regularly logs on and off in the background as a normal part of it’s operation. So that’s a service function, not a user one. Does it mean the user wasn’t working? Slippery slope, for sure. -D > On Dec 4, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I keep a definite separation of church and state, 8 hours after I log in I > log out and go do something else. > Or sometimes, like hunting season, I take a couple hours off to hunt and log > back in after dark. > I think the hip and trendy term is "work/life balance". > > Curt > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 2:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > This is a common finding in the research on remote workers who work from > home. They typically put in more hours because there’s no disconnect between > home and work. There can also be concerns that there is a perception that if > they’re not producing they’re not working. This is also something that’s come > up in research as well. > > We’ve focused on task or project completion, not watching clocks, and that > seems to work well. As my boss says, he doesn’t care where or how much you > work as long as things get done and when expected. > > -D > > > On Dec 4, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com > > <mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > I was teleworking full time before I retired this summer and as you said, > > missed the daily interactions with other humans. I also found that working > > from home meant LONGER hours, since I had no reason to log out and there > > was always a new email to open, which often kept me well beyond 8 hours. > > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:03 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes > > <mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>> wrote: > > I would agree with this. I have a team that I work with, two of which are > > younger people about 20 years my junior, and one who is a few years older > > than me. We all get along well and have a lot of common interests, so the > > social interaction was definitely a part of the work day. I definitely miss > > that aspect of work. > > > > The other aspect that hasn’t been mentioned here is what I would describe > > as a “separation of duties”, although that’s not the ideal description. > > > > I’m talking about the distinct delineation of “work” versus “home”. That > > is, when I leave work, I’m done for the day both mentally and physically. > > That’s not the case when you’re working from home. This is probably the big > > negative for me when it comes to working from home. I like the physical > > separation between the two environments. > > > > -D > > > > > On Dec 4, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > > > <mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>> wrote: > > > > > > I realized when I was at Lotus that I was working mostly with people who > > > were not in my office so it really didn't matter much where I was. > > > Instead of fighting traffic at 830 I would drop the kids at school, go > > > home and work for a coupla hours, make phone calls, emails, work on > > > computer stuff, whatever. Then I would head into the office for the > > > afternoon and if I needed to meet with anyone I could do that. I got > > > more done at home without the distractions, and dealing with colleagues > > > in England or Europe was fine from home. It was a really nice sorta > > > hybrid scheme. Working always from home got to be old, even though I got > > > more done and it was relaxing and flexible, I missed the social > > > interactions, random drop-in discussions, and serendipitous ideas that > > > popped up being around other people and seeing them in the cafeteria or > > > hallways. It was just easier in a lot of ways to get a job done being > > > around others, at least for some things. > > > > > > IBM went to a remote work environment back in the late 90s, got rid of a > > > lot of office space but still had some for meetings/conf rooms and hot > > > desking if you needed to be somewhere with those resources. Most of the > > > people were always traveling somewhere anyway so it did not make a lot of > > > difference. I spent a lot of time in hotels, airports, airplanes, and > > > off-site partners and our other offices so it was fine with me though I > > > did (until I moved away) have an office at our main building in Cambridge > > > with a killer view of Boston and the river. Plus I really liked a lot of > > > the people I worked with so that was nice to be around friends. > > > > > > But yeah, the social interaction is a key factor not just in work but in > > > lots of other things, I find that people are getting cranky and > > > ill-behaved not having that. > > > > > > --FT > > > > > > On 12/4/20 9:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > > >> And in a nutshell that’s what this company found. While the initial > > >> approach was to let roughly 50% of the employees work remotely, about a > > >> third of those ended up wanting to return t the office if I recall > > >> correctly. Many of them were younger people whose social lives involved > > >> relationships with their (work) peers. > > >> > > >> It was pretty interesting, I thought. > > >> > > >> -D > > >> > > >>> On Dec 4, 2020, at 9:17 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes > > >>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > >>> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>> wrote: > > > >>> > > >>> A wise company will do an intelligent mix. Those who do better working > > >>> from home, work from home. 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