I thought the paper/moisture barrier always faced the living space?
On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, at 2:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > Like Floyd said, or batts with paper backing stapled to the joists, > although the second approach is less desirable because the paper > backing can get damp and fail, allowing the insulation to fall out. > > With 12” joists, we got somewhere in the area of R-30 to R-40 of > insulation in the floors out of that. I’m not sure what thickness batts > they used, I would have to go back and look at the work order. They > also insulated all exposed pipes as well, since the insulation would > reduce heat transmission from the house and allow the air temperature > in the crawl to be closer to ambient, potentially allowing any exposed > (copper) pipes to freeze. > > I’m still stunned that the place never had insulation in the > floor/crawl. It had to be a frickin’ icebox in the wintertime, or the > PO ran the wood stove full bore 24/7, which would have been pretty > expensive with the amount of wood it consumes. > > -D > >> On Mar 6, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> How do you install insulation in the crawl space? Do they attach it under >> the sun floor between the joists somehow? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 12:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> And make sure your home is as efficient as possible, too. >>> >>> I’m not discounting the increase in fuel costs by any means, but a lot of >>> times people will only look at the direct expense (of fuel) rather than >>> ways of increasing efficiency. >>> >>> For example, at the Flagstaff house we had an energy audit done right out >>> of the gate that showed some glaring efficiency issues that we expected >>> based on our survey of the house when we bought it. The house is about >>> 2,000 sf, wood frame construction from 1975 on a crawl space. The floor of >>> the house was not insulated, and never had been since it was built. Blow-in >>> insulation in the attic space was a mess from being moved around during >>> several renovations as well as having settled. In fact, it was so bad in >>> some spots it caused ice dams on the roof that resulted in ceiling damage >>> in one part of the house, yet the PO didn’t do anything about it. >>> >>> We took an aggressive approach, which wasn’t cheap, but had insulation >>> installed in the floor/crawl space, the attic insulation straightened out >>> and more blown in, and a blower door test done before and after with any >>> and all gaps or leaks addressed. >>> >>> A new furnace was installed, however, this was a choice on our part due to >>> the age of the existing furnace (28+ years) that was in the mid to upper >>> 90% efficiency range. Windows and doors were already good, so no need to do >>> anything there. While they weren't efficiency considerations, we added air >>> conditioning to the house with the new furnace and a mini-split to an >>> addition that was poorly insulated and conditioned. >>> >>> Total cost? About $8,000 not including the AC and mini-split. We recovered >>> about $1,000 of those costs in rebates from state, local and Federal >>> rebates and tax credits. >>> >>> It will take some years to recover the costs, but the real gain is in the >>> level of comfort that exists in the house. Parts of it were colder than >>> heck, and I can’t even begin to imagine what it was like with no insulation >>> in the floor (we had the insulation work done in September.) The PO >>> installed a wood stove, but we never use it as it’s not necessary. >>> >>> The gas bill last month for heating, water heating (demand water heater) >>> and cooking was $93.00. Coldest month of the year so far, and we keep it at >>> a comfortable 68F during the day while turning it down to 66F at night. >>> Ambients can often get down into the single digits at night in the winter >>> at this location, so having that tight envelope with a solid amount of >>> insulation makes the place very efficient. >>> >>> For those of us who lived through the energy crunch in the 1970s, the one >>> good thing it did was forced people to look more closely at efficiencies in >>> how we use energy as well as alternatives. >>> >>> -D >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes >>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Time to look into alternative heat sources. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 3/6/2022 11:13 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >>>>> So what about home heating oil? What happens next winter when I have to >>>>> heat my house? At this rate it is doubtful that prices will normalize by >>>>> then and I go through a full 250 gallon tank of oil during the winter and >>>>> that’s keeping the house at 60 degrees on average. If oil hits $8 per >>>>> gallon by then which is not a stretch then I will be paying $2000 per >>>>> month to heat my house. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 10:50 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If I am not mistaken, It never got that night the last time. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did Karl want to start a pool on LA gas prices? >>>>>>> $7 a gallon here. I checked and GasBuddy concurs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This will not end well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rick >>>>>> <Screenshot_20220305-191729_Brave.jpg> >>>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
