Heat rises, so it's not as bad as an uninsulated attic. But having a cold floor (and hence, cold feet) can make the room *feel* colder than it is, and you will lose some heat to the principle that heat conducts from warmer to colder objects.
On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > Neither one of our houses has insulation under the floors and I can't > say I have heard of it being done around here. Might be a good idea though. > > On 3/6/2022 1:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> Like Floyd said, or batts with paper backing stapled to the joists, although >> the second approach is less desirable because the paper backing can get damp >> and fail, allowing the insulation to fall out. >> >> With 12” joists, we got somewhere in the area of R-30 to R-40 of insulation >> in the floors out of that. I’m not sure what thickness batts they used, I >> would have to go back and look at the work order. They also insulated all >> exposed pipes as well, since the insulation would reduce heat transmission >> from the house and allow the air temperature in the crawl to be closer to >> ambient, potentially allowing any exposed (copper) pipes to freeze. >> >> I’m still stunned that the place never had insulation in the floor/crawl. It >> had to be a frickin’ icebox in the wintertime, or the PO ran the wood stove >> full bore 24/7, which would have been pretty expensive with the amount of >> wood it consumes. >> >> -D >> >>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> How do you install insulation in the crawl space? Do they attach it under >>> the sun floor between the joists somehow? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 12:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> And make sure your home is as efficient as possible, too. >>>> >>>> I’m not discounting the increase in fuel costs by any means, but a lot of >>>> times people will only look at the direct expense (of fuel) rather than >>>> ways of increasing efficiency. >>>> >>>> For example, at the Flagstaff house we had an energy audit done right out >>>> of the gate that showed some glaring efficiency issues that we expected >>>> based on our survey of the house when we bought it. The house is about >>>> 2,000 sf, wood frame construction from 1975 on a crawl space. The floor of >>>> the house was not insulated, and never had been since it was built. >>>> Blow-in insulation in the attic space was a mess from being moved around >>>> during several renovations as well as having settled. In fact, it was so >>>> bad in some spots it caused ice dams on the roof that resulted in ceiling >>>> damage in one part of the house, yet the PO didn’t do anything about it. >>>> >>>> We took an aggressive approach, which wasn’t cheap, but had insulation >>>> installed in the floor/crawl space, the attic insulation straightened out >>>> and more blown in, and a blower door test done before and after with any >>>> and all gaps or leaks addressed. >>>> >>>> A new furnace was installed, however, this was a choice on our part due to >>>> the age of the existing furnace (28+ years) that was in the mid to upper >>>> 90% efficiency range. Windows and doors were already good, so no need to >>>> do anything there. While they weren't efficiency considerations, we added >>>> air conditioning to the house with the new furnace and a mini-split to an >>>> addition that was poorly insulated and conditioned. >>>> >>>> Total cost? About $8,000 not including the AC and mini-split. We recovered >>>> about $1,000 of those costs in rebates from state, local and Federal >>>> rebates and tax credits. >>>> >>>> It will take some years to recover the costs, but the real gain is in the >>>> level of comfort that exists in the house. Parts of it were colder than >>>> heck, and I can’t even begin to imagine what it was like with no >>>> insulation in the floor (we had the insulation work done in September.) >>>> The PO installed a wood stove, but we never use it as it’s not necessary. >>>> >>>> The gas bill last month for heating, water heating (demand water heater) >>>> and cooking was $93.00. Coldest month of the year so far, and we keep it >>>> at a comfortable 68F during the day while turning it down to 66F at night. >>>> Ambients can often get down into the single digits at night in the winter >>>> at this location, so having that tight envelope with a solid amount of >>>> insulation makes the place very efficient. >>>> >>>> For those of us who lived through the energy crunch in the 1970s, the one >>>> good thing it did was forced people to look more closely at efficiencies >>>> in how we use energy as well as alternatives. >>>> >>>> -D >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes >>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Time to look into alternative heat sources. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 3/6/2022 11:13 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >>>>>> So what about home heating oil? What happens next winter when I have to >>>>>> heat my house? At this rate it is doubtful that prices will normalize by >>>>>> then and I go through a full 250 gallon tank of oil during the winter >>>>>> and that’s keeping the house at 60 degrees on average. If oil hits $8 >>>>>> per gallon by then which is not a stretch then I will be paying $2000 >>>>>> per month to heat my house. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 10:50 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, It never got that night the last time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Did Karl want to start a pool on LA gas prices? >>>>>>>> $7 a gallon here. I checked and GasBuddy concurs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This will not end well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rick >>>>>>> <Screenshot_20220305-191729_Brave.jpg> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
