LA is an excellent example of where EVs make sense. Most people never go 
outside of a 5 mile circle anyway so limited range makes no difference.
Unfortunately California had a rectal/cranial inversion when it comes to 
electricity production so EVs are going to exacerbate an existing problem. 
Maybe if they get to the point that there is a big pv array on every rooftop...
Curt
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  On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 11:13 PM, Karl Wittnebel via 
Mercedes<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   I don't know who "they" are and I have 
know idea what they want, but here
in LA an electric car already makes a lot of sense for a lot of people. If
the prices ever come down, they will be the best option for maybe 70% of
vehicles on our roads. Just from a cost of ownership and convenience
perspective. A lot of families could have one EV and one ICE, rather than
two ICE cars.

One of the big advantages in a major metro is no point source emissions. It
will clean up our air quite a bit. It is hard to imagine how much exhaust
comes off the 405 every day. We live just over the hill from it.

Anyway I don't see diesel trucks going anywhere soon unless we get a lot
more serious about rail infrastructure. There is a lot of infrastructure
that would need to be built to make EVs more broadly practical than they
are also.

The electic grid would be fine. The impact would be less than the advent of
residential AC. Just build it up if needed. But they will all charge off
peak anyway, just the way my thermostat already gets turned up
automatically when demand is high on hot evenings.

Not a solution to every problem but EVs are a good solution to a lot of
problems. If we got serious about separating bike lanes from car lanes and
making cycling truly safe like they did in Holland, tons of people would
ride bikes here in LA and a lot of them would be electric. An electric bike
is an impressive thing. Much more impressive than electric cars, from a
power to weight perspective. If they can ever get this Aptera thing off the
ground, it would really be a cool mode of commuter transport. Until then a
velomobile with a power hub is as close as it gets. Electric skateboards
are also impressive, but less safe. Those One Wheel things will apparently
go 100 miles on a charge or something. They weigh nothing.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 7:21 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> > These things are still toys, only suitable for well-defined commuting.
> Not work.
>
>
> There was an OT Benzworld thread on EVsĀ  that popped up on an email feed.
> This is my response.
>
> Unless John Deere is going to make electric combines and tractors,
> locomotives stop using diesel fuel, and semi trucks become electric, EVs
> are a virtue signal. A refinery can only skew the crude crack a few
> percentage points one way or the other as far as end products go. You like
> asphalt on your roads? You need to refine crude. You like plastic for all
> the purposes it serves? You need to refine crude. If you still refine crude
> and have no demand for gasoline, the price drops precipitously or it
> becomes a waste product to be flared off, much like natural gas on an oil
> rig. There is currently no fuel source with as much Btu capacity per pound
> as refined petroleum products, save perhaps nuclear energy.
>
> Build thorium powered nuclear plants, use Fischer Troupsch to turn coal
> into diesel and gasoline and the planet is saved. TPTB don't want a
> solution. They want control.
>
>
> Rick
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