And just to clarify, if someone has put a card “skimmer” on the reader, that’s 
a totally different situation. You only need a card reader to get the data off 
the magnetic stripe. If it’s a retail POS terminal that data is encrypted when 
the card is swiped.

-D

> On Dec 16, 2022, at 3:42 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Unless the retailer has grossly out of date equipment (and is waaaay out of 
> compliance), the card information is never sent in the clear. It’s encrypted 
> at the time it’s read and transmitted that way. That’s part of PCIE P2PE 
> standard version 3.0 Domain 1 (2019). Since you have to work with a card 
> processor, it’s highly unlikely this could be the case, as I can’t imagine 
> there are any card processors out there who aren’t compliant with the latest 
> standard.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2022, at 3:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If a retailer is still using "swipe" technology (mostly gone now except for 
>> gas pumps) then it's easy for a compromised system to steal the card info. 
>> For "chip" transactions it's supposed to be difficult/impossible because the 
>> clear text card info is never transmitted.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, at 07:58, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> It’s quite possible that the PXG shop’s account or POS system is 
>>> compromised rather than an employee there stealing the information. 
>>> That also has a lot to do with the speed of the misuse - a valid card 
>>> number has to be sold and used quickly, before the card issuer can find 
>>> out it’s compromised and kill the card.
>>> 
>>> Mrs. Dan had a similar situation with her card being compromised at a 
>>> liquor store. It was hit three times within an hour of it being used. 
>>> All three hits were in south Florida and for really stupid stuff, like 
>>> a bowling alley.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>> 
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