I see it this way..in most cases if the person is arrogant jerk because of the 
car he drives, 9 times out of 10 he/she was that way long before they bought 
it. As a Benz owner I'd be just as happy behind the wheel of a BMW. Mainly 
because they are great cars, handle so much better than anything in their class 
and?are safe.?They're no less reliable that most european cars on the road. 
Thinking that a car can change a person into a arrogant a$$ is nothing more 
than a opinion. We all know what opinions are like? Besides, if you've ever 
heard the engine in a M3 at full tilt...it just sweeeeeeeet!


Harry
69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles
72 350SL ? 118,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata ? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:52 pm
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Spade a Spade - it's a BMW thread



On 7/1/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I haven't known many BMW owners, but three I can think of are my uncle
> (has been restoring some really small old one for a long time now).
> And my mother in law (bizarre to me - total prude evil wretch who has
> one of those Z convertibles. Must be a late-mid-life crisis). And the
> fiance of a friend of my wife's. He's an IBM engineer and is kind of
> an arrogant guy for a geek.
>
> So there are two out of three that fall in line with the general
> opinion of the list.
>
> Brian
>
> Clay wrote:
> The bimmers are preppy boys and gals who want to be seen to have a
> bit of european flair.  They are found at wine tastings, fern bars,
> whole foods, or chic night clubs.  More cash than brains.
>
> This may not reflect the BMW car crowd in other towns, but hits the
> nail in Seattle
>

FWIW (not much), I used to own a BMW before I got the Mercedes diesel
bug, and I don't think I fit Clay's stereotype---I liked the Bimmer
not for its prestige value but for the same reason I like other
European cars, for its quirky design, personality, safety, and high
fun-to-drive levels compared to just about anything else I could have
had for the same price.

The one I had was a 1989 E30 chassis 325iX (for those not familiar
with BMW taxonomy, that's a subcompact sedan with a 2.5 liter six and
four-wheel-drive).  I felt like quality-wise it was a notch below an
'80s Mercedes, but inconsistently so---the paint held up better than
most 123s I've seen on the road, and the interior leather was very
tough, but the plastics used were definitely of lower quality, and it
had constant electrical problems which I assume were due to inferior
insulation and connectors.

Just like an M-B, the engineering was a puzzling mix of genius (e.g.
the semi-trailing-arm suspension which made for fantastic handling,
the perfect placement of the instruments and controls) and stupidity
(the front left halfshaft that went through the oil pan).

I still am tempted by '80s BMWs all the time.  If I found a cherry '87
or '88 535is for sale nearby, red with tan leather and a 5-speed, I'd
have my wallet out in a heartbeat.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC

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