Yeah, I spoke with the Lab Manager today about using Biofuels and he considered shorter oil changes were definately called for --
Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs ----- Original Message ----- From: "ernest breakfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Veggie Oil And Bio Fuel users - Words of Caution > Elsbett may be considered a pioneer by some, but have you read all the > legal disclaimers they've got on their site? anytime i see that much > denial of responsibility, i have a tendency to just want to run away,... > > > cheers! > e > > > Christopher McCann wrote: >> Larry, thanks for pointing this out. I think you are correct. Note that >> Elsbett has been doing VO kits for years and they warn on their site: >> >> "Shorter service interval between oil-changes. Alternatively, you can >> have your engine oil analysed. These measures prevent potentially >> damaging "Polymerisation" of vegetable oil mixing with the engine >> lubricating oil." >> >> http://www.elsbett.com/us/elsbett-conversion-technology/fundamentals.html >> >> The ultimate answer with VO (which is what Rudolf himself did whether VO >> or crude oil (thick crude from Ukraine)) is to modify the engine to suit >> the fuel at hand. Elsbett has done this for VO, but cannot find an >> automaker to buy the technology from them. Here is their flex fuel VO/D2 >> engine: >> http://www.elsbett.com/us/elsbett-diesel-technology/elsbett-engine.html >> >> FYI, Dr. Ludwig Elsbett invented passenger sized TDI and coined the >> phrase Turbo Direct Injection and called it TDI. It was bought by >> Volkswagen ...so these people are not crackpots. >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: AFAIK, we haven't tested any VO >> or even BioFuels - which means none of >> *my* customers have submitted alt. fuels for testing. Perhaps the Lab >> has >> tested some? I'll chec I'm just guessing, but I know some people using >> alt. fuels are trying to save money so they may not think spending money >> on >> oil analysis is valid. >> >> I'll check with the lab and see if they have anything they can share. >> >> Don't know how long it takes or if the alt fuel will get the blame >> but I >> would think some of those engines are failing. Perhaps that's being >> blamed >> on age or something else? >> >> What do ya'll think? >> >> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >> 800-583-8601 >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dillon,Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN Charleston SC J63" >> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:42 AM >> Subject: [MBZ] Veggie Oil And Bio Fuel users - Words of Caution >> >> >> >>> Larry, >>> >>> Very well put, and I really appreciate you speaking up on this. I >>> firmly >>> believe that responsible use of VO requires testing the engine oil and a >>> creative maintenance schedule to counter-act the acids, water and other >>> contaminants, and the chemical properties of the VO that create >>> byproducts >>> not found in #2 ULSD-burning engines. >>> >>> Do you have any test results that you can share? I often challenge VO >>> advocates to provide some test results all the time, and not one has >>> stepped up. >>> >>> /s/ >>> >>> Max Dillon, digest lurker >>> >>> '87 300TD 309k miles >>> >>> Charleston, SC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:55:02 -0400 >>>> From: "LarryT" >>>> Subject: [MBZ] Veggie Oil And Bio Fuel users - Words of Caution >>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>>> reply-type=original >>>> >>>> Howdy - >>>> I know with fuel being close to $5/gal in many areas, it's tempting >>>> to >>>> try and save a little money by using an alternative fuel. I've spoken >>>> to >>>> some diesel owners who were using veg oil to power their engines and >>>> they >>>> were getting some amount of the veg oil past the rings and into the >>>> oil. >>>> Same for Biofuels - unfortunately some of these concoctions do not mix >>>> well >>>> with lubricating oil. One owner found his oil had turned rubbery after >>>> using veggie oil to power his diesel. Naturally the engine was damaged >>>> from >>>> lack of lubrication. >>>> >>>> I believe all engines - especially diesels due to their high >>>> compression >>>> levels experience "blow-by" (when combustion gases get past the rings >>>> into >>>> the crankcase & oil) which gives an opportunity for the various >>>> alternative >>>> fuels being used to enter the crankcase and mix with the lube oils. >>>> >>>> This makes Oil Analysis important IMO, as you can learn how much of >>>> your >>>> fuel is getting past the rings - which will have an impact on the oil >>>> change >>>> intervals. Don't buy from me if you like, but consider getting an >>>> analysis >>>> done somewhere to establish a benchmark so you'll have an idea of how >>>> much >>>> alt fuel is entering the crankcase. Or perhaps you can determine this >>>> by >>>> other means? >>>> >>>> Since there are so many variables when discussing alt fuels >>>> (sources, >>>> filtration, purification, storage, heating methods, etc) it's difficult >>>> to >>>> know what alt fuel might be compatible with the required lubrication >>>> being >>>> used in the crankcase but IMO there is a risk when using these fuels >>>> you >>>> need to be aware of. >>>> >>>> Good luck - >>>> >>>> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) >>>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >>>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >>>> >>>> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >>>> 800-583-8601 >>>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >>>> >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: not available >>> Type: application/ms-tnef >>> Size: 6169 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> Url : >>> http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080610/1242517a/attachment.bin >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
