On Sat, Dec 03, 2005, Dotan wrote about "Re: An out of the box solution?": > I'll rephrase it here too "As individuals none of hamakors members > publish the discussions on web forums."
But this is plain false. Many Hamakor members frequent various existing forums and discuss a host of free-software issues. Even many Hamakor- specific announcments and discussions were held in forums like Whatsup and Linmagazine (for example). Remember, just as an example, your blog entry to which I replied, and then other Hamakor members and board members commented? What do you call that, if not discussing things on forums? > Say "yes this is acceptable" and I might bother to make the effort. It is obviously not my place to say whether or not this is acceptable (I'm not even on the board). Alon told you in a previous email that it's even not his place (as a board member) to tell you if to do it or not. You simply have to do it, and make sure you don't cause any problems (such as a barrage of spams, or whatever) to the existing setup. Alon said it was already decided that there is no privacy issue (that it was already decided that the discussions@ list is public), and it was ok with them. So, if you want, I'm saying "yes this is acceptable". Go do it. > for the last few months I tend not to and I prefer to slowly disconnect my > relations with Hamakor and concentrate on doing." > > in replay to Alons inquary "Are you running for board?" > > You may now ask "then why do you care" and my only explanation will be > "it's a habit" It surprises me greatly that during your JLC experience you didn't notice one of the greatest features of an Amuta - it can collect money, and then use it in bulks to fund worthy expenses. Didn't you find the money that came from Hamakor to help your W2L even a bit useful? If you feel that while trying to get money from Hamakor you had to deal with "bad" people, having "bad" processes, wasting your time, or whatever, then the solution is replacing these people; The solution is not to throw out the baby with the bathwater, and ignore or disolve the Amuta. Because having an Amuta can be of genuine help in many cases. As I try to explain time and again, another pro of having an Amuta is that it gives other bodies someone to deal with. For example, when ISOC-IL (The Israeli Internet Society) wanted to donate a substantial amount of money to free software projects, and was looking for appropriate projects, it approached Hamakor to ask for help in choosing these projects. They contacted the board (which we elected to represent the Amuta), and the board chose two other volunteers (Edi and myself) to actually help ISOC-IL. In about a month, the winning projects will be announced. This cooperation, perhaps one of the most exciting that has happened in recent years in Israel, could not have happened without Hamakor existing, or it would have happened but the winning projects would have been chosen less wisely (because the ISOC-IL people would not know who to consult on which projects to choose). If this doesn't convince you that an Amuta is useful, important, and perhaps even necessary, then I don't know what will. If you think an Amuta is useful, but the way it currently acts is *not* useful, then there is only one solution: become a member, and vote for better (in your opinion) board members who will make the changes you expect. -- Nadav Har'El | Saturday, Dec 3 2005, 2 Kislev 5766 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |----------------------------------------- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |I am logged in, therefore I am. http://nadav.harel.org.il |
