On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Shlomi Fish wrote:
but some people seem to
like ugly "informative" websites.
I like informative websites, but I don't think they should be ugly. If the
website is ugly it's because no-one moved a muscle to change the fact.
Ram offered his help but was sent from one person to the other cause one
don't have time and the other don't like PHP/frames/icons/links...
No he was not. He was sent to me. I told him I'd rather that he won't do his
site in PHP, because it was unnecessary in this case. So Ram automatically
deduced that the HTML should be written by hand, and as a result asked me if
he can do it with frames. However, frames are Evil
( http://www.html-faq.com/htmlframes/?framesareevil ) and I told him to avoid
it. I said that he should generate the web-site's HTML instead, using a
pre-rendering program, and after consulting with Alon, it was decided that we
_will_ allow him to use PHP. (Due to his cluelessness) However, we did not
hear from him since.
I'm sorry to hear that. If Ram would have contacted the board (or at least
me) I would have told him that I do not support Shlomi's religous beleifs
about what's evil and what's not. PHP code could be much cleaner than the
unmaintainable WML mess Shlomi built. In any case, I think that if the end
result is usable and standard-compliant, the web deleoper should use
whatever he feels comfortable with.
When I was asked, I had no problem passing the control on the web site to
Ram as soon as he put a working site up.
I thinks visitors of the general W2L site could and yet may get a very
wrong impression about Linux due to look and content of the site.
Perhaps, but that's what we have now, mainly because only Alon and I
updated it.
As I said there were other options that beurocracy scared away (this
refers to what you called "eventualy").
Maybe Ram was scared, but that was his fault. If he were a bit more clueful,
he would have known that he can generate static HTML using Perl, PHP, Web
Meta Language (which I'm using), Python or whatever. But he obviously thought
that the only options were either using PHP on the server side or writing
HTML by hand. We eventually let him use PHP on the server side, but then he
did not do anything about it, and even did not let us how he felt, so we
could have told him he could go ahead.
I do not share this point of view at all. I think Shlomi is clueless to
ignore the human aspects involved. In particular, it usually better and
easier to use a tool you know well and not learn something new.
[snipped stupid technical comments and replies]
I think that Shlomi's points are all invalid, and there is nothing wrong
with the JLC site except for one thing - It talks exclusively about JLC. If
Ram would have built a site for the cooridnated series, I would have been
happy to use it.
Alon
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