The sub-prime market. Ask Barney frank. Or Jimmy Carter. Ask the
lobbyist like acorn. It doesn't make sense to loan to someone with a
500 pt credit score. Banks hadto loan to "low income" people or be
sued. Would you loan to a guy that never paid anyone back?
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On Sep 25, 2009, at 12:56 PM, Russ <[email protected]> wrote:
THAT'S a conspiracy theory I hadn't heard before! Banks being forced
to make risky loans.
Which bill was it that forced banks to make zero principle loans?
The No Principle For All bill?
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On Sep 25, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Casey Wheeler wrote:
No I feel that people should pay attention to things. The banks for
instance.... Had the government not forced them to lend to so risky
people, some banks would not have failed. Some would have, sure.
But that's a free market. Things need to fail. It creates new
oppurtunities.
Artificial limits and regulation put on most markets slow growth
and hurt competition. Adam smith was a smart man.
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On Sep 25, 2009, at 12:42 PM, "Mark Phillips" <[email protected]
> wrote:
“Free market always creates the best policy”, I disagree. The cu
rrent economic climate is a testament to that. Industries need r
egulation or they will continue out of control until someone get
s hurt. After that, they will continue until they get hurt or ar
e stopped. The really bad ones continue regardless. Think indest
ructible teenager with a learner’s permit, a self-centered attit
ude and a high-powered Miata (I finally worked some list related
content in J).
Mark
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Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:19 PM
To: Bret Dodson
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: NMC - Healthcare Crisis Debate
I am confident in my views, my experince and research prove it to
be correct. But, I don't think the syste
is without issues that need to be resolved. You should not be
able to be dropped once you contract a disease. Docotrs should be
able to prescrib exactly what the want for a patient. This
experimental stuff is BS I come across in my job as well, and as
you stated, it occurs within standard procedural operations. These
as well as the INS across state lines, tort reform etc etc would
make a huge difference in not only peoples satisfaction with the
business, as well as bring the cost down.
Free market always creates the best policy.
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On Sep 25, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Bret Dodson <[email protected]> wrote:
Wow Casey you're pretty confident of your health and coverage.
Here is something I see all the time working at one of the
largest cancer research institutions in the world.
Suppose you get cancer. Your insurance will probably cover a
first round of standard treatment. What if that doesn't work?
Or, what if your doctors (you'll have several) think your best
option is something the insurance companies consider
"experimental" (they try to consider bunches of typical
treatments "experimental" even though they have been standard
treatment for years). This "experimental" treatment gets paid by
you.
At my employer, patients need to come to their first appointment
with two things: information on their past treatment and six
figures of cash.
Yes, this is heartbraking. I suppose all the people against
reforming healthcare without $100,000+ cash sitting within easy
reach would be good citizens and let themselves die.
Not me, but I at least respect their dedication.
I'm driving the Miata today. It makes all the pediatric patients
smile.
Bret
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On Sep 25, 2009, at 5:59 AM, Casey Wheeler
<[email protected]> wrote:
Jim is absolutly correct and probably makes the point better
than I did. Most people have health conditions due to their own
choices. Furthermore, people without ins. Don't have ins. by
their own doing. The people that "need" social healthcare are
the people who are most apathetic. We all have the freedom and
choice to take this path or another. If people make better
choices, life is better/easier. Our society has become so... So
lazy, pathetic, apathtic... Something, I can't find the right
description... Take some personal responsibility and handle your
business.
Casey
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On Sep 25, 2009, at 8:18 AM, [email protected] wrote:
I decided I must weigh in on this one after all. I do work at
the largest hospital in my immediate area, which just happens
to be the only for profit hospital in southern Arizona. My
observations are first hand, not something I've seen on TV or
read about.
I don't honestly believe we have a 'healthcare' crisis. I
believe that we do have a 'wellness' crisis. More accurately, a
lack of wellness crisis. The vast majority of the patients I
see in the healthcare system are sick due to their own
lifestyle choices. We have an entire generation of citizens who
think that they are owed everything: police protection, fire
protection, healthcare, etc. Personal responsibility is way
undervalued by our current culture.
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