THAT'S a conspiracy theory I hadn't heard before! Banks being forced
to make risky loans.
Which bill was it that forced banks to make zero principle loans? The
No Principle For All bill?
:-)
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On Sep 25, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Casey Wheeler wrote:
No I feel that people should pay attention to things. The banks for
instance.... Had the government not forced them to lend to so risky
people, some banks would not have failed. Some would have, sure. But
that's a free market. Things need to fail. It creates new
oppurtunities.
Artificial limits and regulation put on most markets slow growth and
hurt competition. Adam smith was a smart man.
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On Sep 25, 2009, at 12:42 PM, "Mark Phillips" <[email protected]
> wrote:
“Free market always creates the best policy”, I disagree. The
current economic climate is a testament to that. Industries need
regulation or they will continue out of control until someone gets
hurt. After that, they will continue until they get hurt or are
stopped. The really bad ones continue regardless. Think
indestructible teenager with a learner’s permit, a self-centered
attitude and a high-powered Miata (I finally worked some list
related content in J).
Mark
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Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:19 PM
To: Bret Dodson
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: NMC - Healthcare Crisis Debate
I am confident in my views, my experince and research prove it to
be correct. But, I don't think the syste
is without issues that need to be resolved. You should not be able
to be dropped once you contract a disease. Docotrs should be able
to prescrib exactly what the want for a patient. This experimental
stuff is BS I come across in my job as well, and as you stated, it
occurs within standard procedural operations. These as well as the
INS across state lines, tort reform etc etc would make a huge
difference in not only peoples satisfaction with the business, as
well as bring the cost down.
Free market always creates the best policy.
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On Sep 25, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Bret Dodson <[email protected]> wrote:
Wow Casey you're pretty confident of your health and coverage.
Here is something I see all the time working at one of the largest
cancer research institutions in the world.
Suppose you get cancer. Your insurance will probably cover a first
round of standard treatment. What if that doesn't work? Or, what
if your doctors (you'll have several) think your best option is
something the insurance companies consider "experimental" (they
try to consider bunches of typical treatments "experimental" even
though they have been standard treatment for years). This
"experimental" treatment gets paid by you.
At my employer, patients need to come to their first appointment
with two things: information on their past treatment and six
figures of cash.
Yes, this is heartbraking. I suppose all the people against
reforming healthcare without $100,000+ cash sitting within easy
reach would be good citizens and let themselves die.
Not me, but I at least respect their dedication.
I'm driving the Miata today. It makes all the pediatric patients
smile.
Bret
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On Sep 25, 2009, at 5:59 AM, Casey Wheeler
<[email protected]> wrote:
Jim is absolutly correct and probably makes the point better than
I did. Most people have health conditions due to their own
choices. Furthermore, people without ins. Don't have ins. by
their own doing. The people that "need" social healthcare are the
people who are most apathetic. We all have the freedom and choice
to take this path or another. If people make better choices, life
is better/easier. Our society has become so... So lazy, pathetic,
apathtic... Something, I can't find the right description... Take
some personal responsibility and handle your business.
Casey
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On Sep 25, 2009, at 8:18 AM, [email protected] wrote:
I decided I must weigh in on this one after all. I do work at
the largest hospital in my immediate area, which just happens to
be the only for profit hospital in southern Arizona. My
observations are first hand, not something I've seen on TV or
read about.
I don't honestly believe we have a 'healthcare' crisis. I
believe that we do have a 'wellness' crisis. More accurately, a
lack of wellness crisis. The vast majority of the patients I see
in the healthcare system are sick due to their own lifestyle
choices. We have an entire generation of citizens who think that
they are owed everything: police protection, fire protection,
healthcare, etc. Personal responsibility is way undervalued by
our current culture.
Numerous hospitalizations could be avoided entirely by simply
getting an annual physical exam where the physician has the
opportunity to catch the signals of a possible or impending
issue and take preemptive measures.
'You are what you eat' is a manta of any good cardiac rehab
program. However, if adopted as a normal part of one's life, it
could have been what keep you out of cardiac care in the first
place.
I don't think I need to point out the shift to a sedentary
lifestyle that the vast majority of people have adopted.
Practicing wellness is hard work. Most people would much prefer
to ignore good lifestyle choices and then push the
responsibility for their well being off onto someone else.
Jim in Tucson
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