"Think indestructible teenager with a learner’s permit, a self-centered
attitude and a high-powered Miata".

You know if I didn't know better, I would have thought you were talking
about me! (I'll be young till the day I die!)


Cheers,
Quentin J Sarafinchan, B.Sc.



On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Mark Phillips
<[email protected]>wrote:

>  “Free market always creates the best policy”, I disagree. The current
> economic climate is a testament to that. Industries need regulation or they
> will continue out of control until someone gets hurt. After that, they will
> continue until they get hurt or are stopped. The really bad ones continue
> regardless. Think indestructible teenager with a learner’s permit, a
> self-centered attitude and a high-powered Miata (I finally worked some list
> related content in J).
>
>
>
> Mark
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>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Casey Wheeler
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2009 12:19 PM
> *To:* Bret Dodson
> *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: NMC - Healthcare Crisis Debate
>
>
>
> I am confident in my views, my experince and research prove it to be
> correct. But, I don't think the syste
>
>  is without issues that need to be resolved. You should not be able to be
> dropped once you contract a disease. Docotrs should be able to prescrib
> exactly what the want for a patient. This experimental stuff is BS I come
> across in my job as well, and as you stated, it occurs within standard
> procedural operations. These as well as the INS across state lines, tort
> reform etc etc would make a huge difference in not only peoples satisfaction
> with the business, as well as bring the cost down.
>
>
>
> Free market always creates the best policy.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Bret Dodson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>  Wow Casey you're pretty confident of your health and coverage.
>
>
>
> Here is something I see all the time working at one of the largest cancer
> research institutions in the world.
>
>
>
> Suppose you get cancer. Your insurance will probably cover a first round of
> standard treatment. What if that doesn't work?  Or, what if your doctors
> (you'll have several) think your best option is something the insurance
> companies consider "experimental" (they try to consider bunches of typical
> treatments "experimental" even though they have been standard treatment for
> years). This "experimental" treatment gets paid by you.
>
>
>
> At my employer, patients need to come to their first appointment with two
> things: information on their past treatment and six figures of cash.
>
>
>
> Yes, this is heartbraking.  I suppose all the people against reforming
> healthcare without $100,000+ cash sitting within easy reach would be good
> citizens and let themselves die.
>
>
>
> Not me, but I at least respect their dedication.
>
>
>
> I'm driving the Miata today. It makes all the pediatric patients smile.
>
> Bret
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2009, at 5:59 AM, Casey Wheeler < <[email protected]>
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>  Jim is absolutly correct and probably makes the point better than I did.
> Most people have health conditions due to their own choices. Furthermore,
> people without ins. Don't have ins. by their own doing. The people that
> "need" social healthcare are the people who are most apathetic. We all have
> the freedom and choice to take this path or another. If people make better
> choices, life is better/easier. Our society has become so... So lazy,
> pathetic, apathtic... Something, I can't find the right description... Take
> some personal responsibility and handle your business.
>
>
>
> Casey
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2009, at 8:18 AM, <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>  I decided I must weigh in on this one after all. I do work at the largest
> hospital in my immediate area, which just happens to be the only for profit
> hospital in southern Arizona. My observations are first hand, not something
> I've seen on TV or read about.
>
>
>
> I don't honestly believe we have a 'healthcare' crisis. I believe that we
> do have a 'wellness' crisis. More accurately, a lack of wellness crisis. The
> vast majority of the patients I see in the healthcare system are sick due to
> their own lifestyle choices. We have an entire generation of citizens who
> think that they are owed everything: police protection, fire protection,
> healthcare, etc. Personal responsibility is way undervalued by our current
> culture.
>
>
>
> Numerous hospitalizations could be avoided entirely by simply getting an
> annual physical exam where the physician has the opportunity to catch the
> signals of a possible or impending issue and take preemptive measures.
>
>
>
> 'You are what you eat' is a manta of any good cardiac rehab program.
> However, if adopted as a normal part of one's life, it could have been what
> keep you out of cardiac care in the first place.
>
>
>
> I don't think I need to point out the shift to a sedentary lifestyle that
> the vast majority of people have adopted.
>
>
>
> Practicing wellness is hard work. Most people would much prefer to ignore
> good lifestyle choices and then push the responsibility for their well being
> off onto someone else.
>
>
>
> Jim in Tucson
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