Hey there Vam :-) Ya know, if you had continued our conversation with the advice I gave you to gain understanding, you might not still be ignorant. It's not too late though. I'm still speaking in plain simple English and if you are smart enough to ask a question about that which you don't understand, I'll be happy to answer.
peace & Love On Jun 18, 11:57 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > God, I very rarely come across a message as garbled as that ! > > On Jun 19, 9:52 am, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > "peace & Love - I know how to make it the way of the world, and you > > are afraid of me" - tink > > > Yes, for the record, you specifically said > > "They fear me because they know I can change the world." - Chris > > > I guess when moderators are attacking they can say anything they want > > and call it a quote? :-) > > Just for fun I will explain your fabrication. > > "they know I can change the world." This knowing is usually > > subconscious, suppressed by 'the fear of the unknown'. It enters the > > mind when one cannot successfully deny the idea I present which > > disturbs the personal religion. 'The fear of the unknown is activated. > > "They fear me" since they can't fear that which the fear of the > > unknown has hidden from them it is transferred to the messenger. > > > peace & Love > > > On Jun 18, 11:06 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > "I'm really sorry that you don't understand what I'm talking about. > > > That you put it off as some religious BS is totally wrong. I'm talking > > > about the mechanical action of a force. > > > If you would like to ask me questions about what I know that you do > > > not know, I'll be happy to answer them :-) > > > The 'direction' of Society is something that you would classify as > > > unknown. This is what stirs the fear in you to attempt to quiet me. > > > > peace & Love - *I know how to make it the way of the world, and you are > > > **afraid** of me* :-P & I Love you." > > > > This is the exact quote. Now, would you get over the "They're attacking > > > me" > > > kick, and provide the clarification? I sincerely doubt anyone here is > > > afraid > > > of you, but your constant assertion of such sounds like much chest > > > puffery. > > > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The attack continues as you refuse to discus the idea I present. > > > > Where is the quote from? I'll be happy to explain it in context. > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > On Jun 18, 8:03 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Tink, where is the attack? > > > > > > Yes, for the record, you specifically said > > > > > > "They fear me because they know I can change the world." > > > > > > Your post is on the record here in the group. I have not attacked > > > > > you. I > > > > have directly and honestly relayed to you how such statements sound, and > > > > asked for clarification. Will you provide it? > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Tinker <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds > > > > > Eye\"" > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:39:29 -0700 > > > > (PDT)Local:Thurs, Jun 18 2009 7:39 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Nomo Gitmo > > > > > > On Jun 18, 7:21 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > So you feel that someone noting confusion in the conversation (and > > > > > > not > > > > a solitary perspective) warrants your "satirical retort" (read: > > > > accusation) > > > > of self righteousness. > > > > > > No, the self-righteousness was established previously. I poked at her > > > > > for poking at me second hand, instead of confronting me. > > > > > > > This came on the heels of a string of replies which included the > > > > intimation that others were afraid of you because you had the power to > > > > change the world. > > > > > > Wrong again Mr. Jenkins. I incite 'the fear of the unknown' in people > > > > > by presenting the idea that we can change the world. It works just > > > > > like now where you are attacking me the person, and won't go near the > > > > > idea I present. > > > > > > > The combination of purported self assurance combined with a > > > > counterintuitive sensitivity to perceived attack, prompting subtle > > > > counter > > > > attacks cloaked in "satire", causes your message to come across in ways > > > > that > > > > are perhaps unintended. Orn said arrogant, but diagnostically, it > > > > smacks of > > > > textbook low level megalomania. > > > > > > And you both would kill the messenger, because you are affected by > > > > > 'the fear of the unknown, because of the idea. Megalomania? I have no > > > > > power (If I did I could do something about two moderators practicing > > > > > ad hominem :-)), I have nothing but knowledge. > > > > > > > This is the one major difficulty of text based exchanges; when all > > > > > > of > > > > our inflection and body language cues are removed from our messages, the > > > > underlying intent of our words is left to the interpretation of the > > > > listener. > > > > > > This is the major difficulty of introducing 'new knowledge' that blows > > > > > away that which has been previously accepted. > > > > > > > In order for me to understand you better, let's go back to that > > > > originating phrase. Who, exactly, do you think is afraid of your "power > > > > to > > > > change the world"? > > > > > > See above. > > > > > Try to understand what I'm talking about when I say "the 'direction' > > > > > of Society. Quit attacking me because you cannot put down my idea to > > > > > create unity amongst mankind by establishing common recognition for > > > > > the connection, "an ah ha moment the fantastic connection in my head", > > > > > that is the common link of mankind. > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Tinker <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds > > > > Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:59:55 -0700 > > > > (PDT)Local:Wed, Jun 17 2009 10:59 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Nomo Gitmo > > > > > > > No sir. It was a satirical retort earned by Ms Brogan. > > > > > > "the unstable muddle of illogical fancy" - Molly > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > On Jun 17, 10:01 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Tink, you accuse Orn of subtle ad hominem, and then in the next > > > > breath, do exactly what you complain of. Perhaps this is the kind od > > > > behaviour that led to Orn's perception? > > > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Tinker <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds > > > > Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:19:27 -0700 > > > > (PDT)Local:Wed, Jun 17 2009 9:19 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Nomo Gitmo > > > > > > > > I sure wish I could bless somebody. I guess I need to work on my > > > > self- > > > > > > > righteousness :-) > > > > > > > I still Love you Molly. > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > On Jun 17, 5:40 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bless you, Vam. There is an enormous kindness in the patient > > > > > > > > extension into the unstable muddle of illogical fancy, like > > > > > > > > skating > > > > on > > > > > > > > broken ice or swimming in mud for the sake of a gracious > > > > connection. > > > > > > > > I wonder at the confusion in the discussion here lately. It > > > > > > > > seems > > > > so > > > > > > > > much more emotion based, we rely less on valid information and > > > > > > > > more > > > > on > > > > > > > > highly personal opinion. Maybe a reflection of the emotional > > > > > > > > state > > > > of > > > > > > > > the world at large, a reflection of the aftershocks of a global > > > > > > > > financial crisis. Does uncertainty prevent clear communication? > > > > > > > > > "I know how to make it the way of the world and you are afraid > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > me." (slowly shaking head) Are we trapped in a desolate > > > > > > > > Bukowski > > > > > > > > poem: > > > > > > > > "If you think it's boring > > > > > > > > out there," he tells me, "you oughta be > > > > > > > > back here." > > > > > > > > so here I am > > > > > > > > propped up against my pillows > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > just an old guy > > > > > > > > just an old writer > > > > > > > > with a yellow > > > > > > > > notebook. > > > > > > > > > On Jun 17, 2:41 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Tinker, let me begin with Peace & Love for you ! > > > > > > > > > > I take exception to you post in that you have not addressed > > > > > > > > > what > > > > I did > > > > > > > > > point out. > > > > > > > > > > One, that : " The direction of society includes the > > > > > > > > > potential of > > > > ' > > > > > > > > > change ' within it. Feudalism is largely not evident anymore ; > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > yourself why." > > > > > > > > > > Two, that : " Rules also include the learning society has > > > > accumulated > > > > > > > > > over the millenia. And, Right does not equal Truth ! " > > > > > > > > > > > I'm really sorry that you don't understand what I'm talking > > > > about. > > > > > > > > > > That you put it off as some religious BS is totally wrong. > > > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > about the mechanical action of a force. > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, I do not understand this " mechanical action of a > > > > > > > > > force " > > > > you > > > > > > > > > are speaking of. What is this " force ?" What is the " > > > > mechanical " > > > > > > > > > " action " of this force ? > > > > > > > > > > > If you would like to ask me questions about what I know that > > > > you do > > > > > > > > > > not know, I'll be happy to answer them :-) > > > > > > > > > > How would I know what you know, without you revealing all you > > > > know ? > > > > > > > > > How would I know what I do not know ? Please appreciate, > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > difficulties are very real and massive, to say the least. > > > > > > > > > > > The 'direction' of Society is something that you would > > > > > > > > > > classify > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > unknown. > > > > > > > > > > No, Gruff and Molly has given me enough idea of that. Plus, I > > > > > > > > > am > > > > not > > > > > > > > > exactly illiterate, if not erudite. I do read widely. > > > > > > > > > > > This is what stirs the fear in you ... > > > > > > > > > > Did you see, feel that fear within you ? If yes, may it be > > > > > > > > > that > > > > the > > > > > > > > > fear is yours ? > > > > > > > > > > Or, did you sense that fear as it arose in me ? If so, by > > > > > > > > > what > > > > means > > > > > > > > > did you sense it ? > > > > > > > > > > > ... to attempt to quiet me. > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I invite > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
