I'm still trying to figure it out, while being told that I am simultaneously afraid of it, and attacking it. Truth be told, I don't even know what "it" is.
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Vamadevananda <[email protected]>wrote: > > God, I very rarely come across a message as garbled as that ! > > > On Jun 19, 9:52 am, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > "peace & Love - I know how to make it the way of the world, and you > > are afraid of me" - tink > > > > Yes, for the record, you specifically said > > "They fear me because they know I can change the world." - Chris > > > > I guess when moderators are attacking they can say anything they want > > and call it a quote? :-) > > Just for fun I will explain your fabrication. > > "they know I can change the world." This knowing is usually > > subconscious, suppressed by 'the fear of the unknown'. It enters the > > mind when one cannot successfully deny the idea I present which > > disturbs the personal religion. 'The fear of the unknown is activated. > > "They fear me" since they can't fear that which the fear of the > > unknown has hidden from them it is transferred to the messenger. > > > > peace & Love > > > > On Jun 18, 11:06 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "I'm really sorry that you don't understand what I'm talking about. > > > That you put it off as some religious BS is totally wrong. I'm talking > > > about the mechanical action of a force. > > > If you would like to ask me questions about what I know that you do > > > not know, I'll be happy to answer them :-) > > > The 'direction' of Society is something that you would classify as > > > unknown. This is what stirs the fear in you to attempt to quiet me. > > > > > peace & Love - *I know how to make it the way of the world, and you are > > > **afraid** of me* :-P & I Love you." > > > > > This is the exact quote. Now, would you get over the "They're attacking > me" > > > kick, and provide the clarification? I sincerely doubt anyone here is > afraid > > > of you, but your constant assertion of such sounds like much chest > puffery. > > > > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > The attack continues as you refuse to discus the idea I present. > > > > Where is the quote from? I'll be happy to explain it in context. > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > On Jun 18, 8:03 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Tink, where is the attack? > > > > > > > Yes, for the record, you specifically said > > > > > > > "They fear me because they know I can change the world." > > > > > > > Your post is on the record here in the group. I have not attacked > you. I > > > > have directly and honestly relayed to you how such statements sound, > and > > > > asked for clarification. Will you provide it? > > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Tinker <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds > Eye\"" > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:39:29 -0700 > > > > (PDT)Local:Thurs, Jun 18 2009 7:39 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Nomo > Gitmo > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 7:21 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > So you feel that someone noting confusion in the conversation > (and not > > > > a solitary perspective) warrants your "satirical retort" (read: > accusation) > > > > of self righteousness. > > > > > > > No, the self-righteousness was established previously. I poked at > her > > > > > for poking at me second hand, instead of confronting me. > > > > > > > > This came on the heels of a string of replies which included the > > > > intimation that others were afraid of you because you had the power > to > > > > change the world. > > > > > > > Wrong again Mr. Jenkins. I incite 'the fear of the unknown' in > people > > > > > by presenting the idea that we can change the world. It works just > > > > > like now where you are attacking me the person, and won't go near > the > > > > > idea I present. > > > > > > > > The combination of purported self assurance combined with a > > > > counterintuitive sensitivity to perceived attack, prompting subtle > counter > > > > attacks cloaked in "satire", causes your message to come across in > ways that > > > > are perhaps unintended. Orn said arrogant, but diagnostically, it > smacks of > > > > textbook low level megalomania. > > > > > > > And you both would kill the messenger, because you are affected by > > > > > 'the fear of the unknown, because of the idea. Megalomania? I have > no > > > > > power (If I did I could do something about two moderators > practicing > > > > > ad hominem :-)), I have nothing but knowledge. > > > > > > > > This is the one major difficulty of text based exchanges; when > all of > > > > our inflection and body language cues are removed from our messages, > the > > > > underlying intent of our words is left to the interpretation of the > > > > listener. > > > > > > > This is the major difficulty of introducing 'new knowledge' that > blows > > > > > away that which has been previously accepted. > > > > > > > > In order for me to understand you better, let's go back to that > > > > originating phrase. Who, exactly, do you think is afraid of your > "power to > > > > change the world"? > > > > > > > See above. > > > > > Try to understand what I'm talking about when I say "the > 'direction' > > > > > of Society. Quit attacking me because you cannot put down my idea > to > > > > > create unity amongst mankind by establishing common recognition for > > > > > the connection, "an ah ha moment the fantastic connection in my > head", > > > > > that is the common link of mankind. > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Tinker <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds > > > > Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:59:55 > -0700 > > > > (PDT)Local:Wed, Jun 17 2009 10:59 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Nomo > Gitmo > > > > > > > > No sir. It was a satirical retort earned by Ms Brogan. > > > > > > "the unstable muddle of illogical fancy" - Molly > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > On Jun 17, 10:01 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tink, you accuse Orn of subtle ad hominem, and then in the next > > > > breath, do exactly what you complain of. Perhaps this is the kind od > > > > behaviour that led to Orn's perception? > > > > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Tinker <[email protected] > >To:"\"Minds > > > > Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:19:27 > -0700 > > > > (PDT)Local:Wed, Jun 17 2009 9:19 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Nomo > Gitmo > > > > > > > > > I sure wish I could bless somebody. I guess I need to work on > my > > > > self- > > > > > > > righteousness :-) > > > > > > > I still Love you Molly. > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > On Jun 17, 5:40 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bless you, Vam. There is an enormous kindness in the patient > > > > > > > > extension into the unstable muddle of illogical fancy, like > skating > > > > on > > > > > > > > broken ice or swimming in mud for the sake of a gracious > > > > connection. > > > > > > > > I wonder at the confusion in the discussion here lately. It > seems > > > > so > > > > > > > > much more emotion based, we rely less on valid information > and more > > > > on > > > > > > > > highly personal opinion. Maybe a reflection of the emotional > state > > > > of > > > > > > > > the world at large, a reflection of the aftershocks of a > global > > > > > > > > financial crisis. Does uncertainty prevent clear > communication? > > > > > > > > > > "I know how to make it the way of the world and you are > afraid of > > > > > > > > me." (slowly shaking head) Are we trapped in a desolate > Bukowski > > > > > > > > poem: > > > > > > > > "If you think it's boring > > > > > > > > out there," he tells me, "you oughta be > > > > > > > > back here." > > > > > > > > so here I am > > > > > > > > propped up against my pillows > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > just an old guy > > > > > > > > just an old writer > > > > > > > > with a yellow > > > > > > > > notebook. > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 17, 2:41 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Tinker, let me begin with Peace & Love for you ! > > > > > > > > > > > I take exception to you post in that you have not addressed > what > > > > I did > > > > > > > > > point out. > > > > > > > > > > > One, that : " The direction of society includes the > potential of > > > > ' > > > > > > > > > change ' within it. Feudalism is largely not evident > anymore ; > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > yourself why." > > > > > > > > > > > Two, that : " Rules also include the learning society has > > > > accumulated > > > > > > > > > over the millenia. And, Right does not equal Truth ! " > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm really sorry that you don't understand what I'm > talking > > > > about. > > > > > > > > > > That you put it off as some religious BS is totally > wrong. I'm > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > about the mechanical action of a force. > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, I do not understand this " mechanical action of a > force " > > > > you > > > > > > > > > are speaking of. What is this " force ?" What is the " > > > > mechanical " > > > > > > > > > " action " of this force ? > > > > > > > > > > > > If you would like to ask me questions about what I know > that > > > > you do > > > > > > > > > > not know, I'll be happy to answer them :-) > > > > > > > > > > > How would I know what you know, without you revealing all > you > > > > know ? > > > > > > > > > How would I know what I do not know ? Please appreciate, > these > > > > > > > > > difficulties are very real and massive, to say the least. > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'direction' of Society is something that you would > classify > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > unknown. > > > > > > > > > > > No, Gruff and Molly has given me enough idea of that. Plus, > I am > > > > not > > > > > > > > > exactly illiterate, if not erudite. I do read widely. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what stirs the fear in you ... > > > > > > > > > > > Did you see, feel that fear within you ? If yes, may it be > that > > > > the > > > > > > > > > fear is yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > Or, did you sense that fear as it arose in me ? If so, by > what > > > > means > > > > > > > > > did you sense it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > ... to attempt to quiet me. > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I invite you to talk on this forum as much > as > > > > you > > > > > > > > > wish or need to. Believe me, when people talk I get to know > what > > > > they > > > > > > > > > know and, more importantly, what they do not know. > > > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love - I know how to make it the way of the > world, and > > > > you are afraid of me. > > > > > > > > > > > See above. > > > > > > > > > > > For now, I'd let my love for you be. But I do wish that > Peace be > > > > upon > > > > > > > > > you ! > > > > > > > > > > > :-P > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
