"I'm really sorry that you don't understand what I'm talking about. That you put it off as some religious BS is totally wrong. I'm talking about the mechanical action of a force. If you would like to ask me questions about what I know that you do not know, I'll be happy to answer them :-) The 'direction' of Society is something that you would classify as unknown. This is what stirs the fear in you to attempt to quiet me.
peace & Love - *I know how to make it the way of the world, and you are **afraid** of me* :-P & I Love you." This is the exact quote. Now, would you get over the "They're attacking me" kick, and provide the clarification? I sincerely doubt anyone here is afraid of you, but your constant assertion of such sounds like much chest puffery. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > The attack continues as you refuse to discus the idea I present. > Where is the quote from? I'll be happy to explain it in context. > > peace & Love > > On Jun 18, 8:03 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > Tink, where is the attack? > > > > Yes, for the record, you specifically said > > > > "They fear me because they know I can change the world." > > > > Your post is on the record here in the group. I have not attacked you. I > have directly and honestly relayed to you how such statements sound, and > asked for clarification. Will you provide it? > > > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Tinker <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > <[email protected]>Date:Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:39:29 -0700 > (PDT)Local:Thurs, Jun 18 2009 7:39 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Nomo Gitmo > > > > On Jun 18, 7:21 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > So you feel that someone noting confusion in the conversation (and not > a solitary perspective) warrants your "satirical retort" (read: accusation) > of self righteousness. > > > > No, the self-righteousness was established previously. I poked at her > > for poking at me second hand, instead of confronting me. > > > > > This came on the heels of a string of replies which included the > intimation that others were afraid of you because you had the power to > change the world. > > > > Wrong again Mr. Jenkins. I incite 'the fear of the unknown' in people > > by presenting the idea that we can change the world. It works just > > like now where you are attacking me the person, and won't go near the > > idea I present. > > > > > The combination of purported self assurance combined with a > counterintuitive sensitivity to perceived attack, prompting subtle counter > attacks cloaked in "satire", causes your message to come across in ways that > are perhaps unintended. Orn said arrogant, but diagnostically, it smacks of > textbook low level megalomania. > > > > And you both would kill the messenger, because you are affected by > > 'the fear of the unknown, because of the idea. Megalomania? I have no > > power (If I did I could do something about two moderators practicing > > ad hominem :-)), I have nothing but knowledge. > > > > > This is the one major difficulty of text based exchanges; when all of > our inflection and body language cues are removed from our messages, the > underlying intent of our words is left to the interpretation of the > listener. > > > > This is the major difficulty of introducing 'new knowledge' that blows > > away that which has been previously accepted. > > > > > In order for me to understand you better, let's go back to that > originating phrase. Who, exactly, do you think is afraid of your "power to > change the world"? > > > > See above. > > Try to understand what I'm talking about when I say "the 'direction' > > of Society. Quit attacking me because you cannot put down my idea to > > create unity amongst mankind by establishing common recognition for > > the connection, "an ah ha moment the fantastic connection in my head", > > that is the common link of mankind. > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Tinker <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds > Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:59:55 -0700 > (PDT)Local:Wed, Jun 17 2009 10:59 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Nomo Gitmo > > > > > No sir. It was a satirical retort earned by Ms Brogan. > > > "the unstable muddle of illogical fancy" - Molly > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > On Jun 17, 10:01 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Tink, you accuse Orn of subtle ad hominem, and then in the next > breath, do exactly what you complain of. Perhaps this is the kind od > behaviour that led to Orn's perception? > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Tinker <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds > Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:19:27 -0700 > (PDT)Local:Wed, Jun 17 2009 9:19 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Nomo Gitmo > > > > > > I sure wish I could bless somebody. I guess I need to work on my > self- > > > > righteousness :-) > > > > I still Love you Molly. > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > On Jun 17, 5:40 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Bless you, Vam. There is an enormous kindness in the patient > > > > > extension into the unstable muddle of illogical fancy, like skating > on > > > > > broken ice or swimming in mud for the sake of a gracious > connection. > > > > > I wonder at the confusion in the discussion here lately. It seems > so > > > > > much more emotion based, we rely less on valid information and more > on > > > > > highly personal opinion. Maybe a reflection of the emotional state > of > > > > > the world at large, a reflection of the aftershocks of a global > > > > > financial crisis. Does uncertainty prevent clear communication? > > > > > > > "I know how to make it the way of the world and you are afraid of > > > > > me." (slowly shaking head) Are we trapped in a desolate Bukowski > > > > > poem: > > > > > "If you think it's boring > > > > > out there," he tells me, "you oughta be > > > > > back here." > > > > > so here I am > > > > > propped up against my pillows > > > > > again > > > > > just an old guy > > > > > just an old writer > > > > > with a yellow > > > > > notebook. > > > > > > > On Jun 17, 2:41 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Tinker, let me begin with Peace & Love for you ! > > > > > > > > I take exception to you post in that you have not addressed what > I did > > > > > > point out. > > > > > > > > One, that : " The direction of society includes the potential of > ' > > > > > > change ' within it. Feudalism is largely not evident anymore ; > ask > > > > > > yourself why." > > > > > > > > Two, that : " Rules also include the learning society has > accumulated > > > > > > over the millenia. And, Right does not equal Truth ! " > > > > > > > > > I'm really sorry that you don't understand what I'm talking > about. > > > > > > > That you put it off as some religious BS is totally wrong. I'm > talking > > > > > > > about the mechanical action of a force. > > > > > > > > Indeed, I do not understand this " mechanical action of a force " > you > > > > > > are speaking of. What is this " force ?" What is the " > mechanical " > > > > > > " action " of this force ? > > > > > > > > > If you would like to ask me questions about what I know that > you do > > > > > > > not know, I'll be happy to answer them :-) > > > > > > > > How would I know what you know, without you revealing all you > know ? > > > > > > How would I know what I do not know ? Please appreciate, these > > > > > > difficulties are very real and massive, to say the least. > > > > > > > > > The 'direction' of Society is something that you would classify > as > > > > > > > unknown. > > > > > > > > No, Gruff and Molly has given me enough idea of that. Plus, I am > not > > > > > > exactly illiterate, if not erudite. I do read widely. > > > > > > > > > This is what stirs the fear in you ... > > > > > > > > Did you see, feel that fear within you ? If yes, may it be that > the > > > > > > fear is yours ? > > > > > > > > Or, did you sense that fear as it arose in me ? If so, by what > means > > > > > > did you sense it ? > > > > > > > > > ... to attempt to quiet me. > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I invite you to talk on this forum as much as > you > > > > > > wish or need to. Believe me, when people talk I get to know what > they > > > > > > know and, more importantly, what they do not know. > > > > > > > > > peace & Love - I know how to make it the way of the world, and > you are afraid of me. > > > > > > > > See above. > > > > > > > > For now, I'd let my love for you be. But I do wish that Peace be > upon > > > > > > you ! > > > > > > > > :-P & I Love you. > > > > > > > > > On Jun 16, 10:08 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > " The 'direction' of Society, 'rule overrules right', ... " > > > > > > > > > > Tinker, I have heard you bring up this ' mantra ' umpteen > times, > > > > > > > > especially to end an argument, if not to win it. I believe it > is > > > > > > > > misplaced, if not entirely. > > > > > > > > > > The direction of society includes the potential of ' change ' > within > > > > > > > > it. Feudalism is largely not evident anymore ; ask yourself > why. > > > > > > > > > > Rules also include the learning society has accumulated over > the > > > > > > > > millenia. And, Right does not equal Truth ! > > > > > > > > > > I have nothing against the mantra per se, so long as it > remains > > > > > > > > yours ! > > > > > > > > > > Peace & Love ... don't mind this borrowing. > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 17, 7:29 am, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Rules from previous circumstances applied to similar > present > > > > > > > > > circumstances and enforced without consideration of the > differences IS > > > > > > > > > 'rule overrules right'. > > > > > > > > > The 'direction' of Society, 'rule overrules right', is the > root of > > > > > > > > > every problem in the world and can be changed :-) > > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 16, 10:02 am, ornamentalmind < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "The view behind is for retrospect in the hope that it > will help us > > > > > > > > > > turn the right way next > > > > > > > > > > time to see it right." - sd > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, looking at the past is often used as a method for > making > > > > > > > > > > decisions in the present. The main problem with this is > that the past > > > > > > > > > > is not the present. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 16, 6:02 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very well, it's all assumptive, either way there is no > telling what > > > > > > > > > > > the actual outcome would be. The probability seems > equal given any > > > > > > > > > > > choice. The trajectory of views are many, at least > 360 and in > > > > > > > > > > > between but we can only see one way at a time. The view > behind is for > > > > > > > > > > > retrospect in the hope that it will help us turn the > right way next > > > > > > > > > > > time to see it right. I just don't see it going > anywhere except > > > > > > > > > > > onward like a broken record, both sides bloodied > grooves. Credibility > > > > > > > > > > > and legitimization is hindsight, a crumpled ideal that > once stood > > > > > > > > > > > tall. Strategy has now become fear of upsetting the > enemy. When > > > > > > > > > > > sending a message of intolerance becomes damaging and > destructive to a > > > > > > > > > > > cause there is dilemma and stagnation. The agreement > all around is on > > > > > > > > > > > the uncertainty of outcome and the unsureness of the > forward path. It > > > > > > > > > > > is all out of my hands and out of my reach but in view, > as spectator I > > > > > > > > > > > can only watch and wait. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks everyone for your participation, thoughts and > opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dona Nobis Pachem! > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 16, 2:17 am, Justintruth < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You asked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your idea about "just killing" the prisoners on Gitmo > would undermine > > > > > > > > > > > > our attempts to de-legitimize the Jihadist movement > without any > > > > > > > > > > > > significant compensatory benefit. 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