I'd guess they do know the origin as Cern - but they ain't sure they are neutrinos.
On Oct 7, 2:58 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > Pat it was not a one time affair,, checked and rechecked.. > it will be changing or rather challenging the concepts > Allan > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Oct 4, 1:47 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I do not think time travel is putting it correctly. what I think they > > are > > > really saying is that there are laws beyond those that we know and > > > understand today,, they went to extreme measures to verify the > > > measurements Like actually measure the speed of light to with in 18 cm > > to > > > make sure the calculations were correct. like stopping the traffic > > though > > > the trans alps tunnel so it would not interfere with measurements.. > > > > I have known for many years that in the spiritual world that when you > > think > > > you know it all there is more,, wonder what the new models will look > > like > > > ,, any ideas Pat? > > > Allan > > > Loads. I think the neutrinos that landed early weren't from CERN, > > but, of course, there's no way to prove or disprove that. > > Alternatively, if strings weave in and out of the Calabi-Yau space as > > I believe they do, then the Calabi-Yau space can serve as a form of > > Star Trek-like 'sub-space' that might be able to be used to take short- > > cuts through space; but, it would only work for items that were > > incredibly small, i.e., strings and, of course, in String Theory, > > neutrinos are simply strings vibrating in a particularly unique way as > > to appear AS neutrinos. > > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The problems are discussed in the link video. My world without data > > > > is created by everything being skewed for instant reception. My > > > > question is why we never put the effort of science into social > > > > questioning. These hard yards are always evaded. > > > > The most fascinating issue in the neutrino experiment is they may have > > > > found the tachyon and this would open up the possibility of > > > > information time travel and confirm very weird mass. > > > > > On Oct 3, 11:38 pm, Allan Heretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hoi Pat the measurements were within 18 inches.. they did a lot to > > > > > verify the distance traveled.. it is just some particals are > > arriving > > > > > sooner than they should. > > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Oct 3, 11:28 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 9:28 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >http://www.universetoday.com/89407/particle-physics-and-faster-than-l. > > .. > > > > > > > > This link has a video with the best clarification I've heard. > > One or > > > > > > > two might be interested. > > > > > > > > One idea I do like is that of neutrinos 'seeing' a different > > > > > > > geometry. There are geometries in which distance is illusory. > > > > Knowing > > > > > > > all this I'll still be taking the train into town. People at > > > > > > > Manchester 1864 don't think the results will hold, but are > > spinning > > > > > > > some examples of what would make sense assuming they are right. > > I > > > > > > > always feel a bit of sadness when amongst scientists these days - > > > > it's > > > > > > > to do with how different the world of sane dialogue is compared > > with > > > > > > > everyday dross in which evidence is barely understood and reality > > > > > > > denied in favour of Idols. > > > > > > > > I've become a fan of Rosanne Barr's candidature for President. > > Never > > > > > > > liked her show. Neutrinos probably won't do much to Einstein's > > > > > > > stuff. Quite why economic data hasn't got us thinking in more > > > > > > > primitive terms like hers I don't understand. This is where the > > > > > > > detail and supposed links with theory drives me. We remain > > medieval > > > > > > > in all except science. Scientists do not proceed in very > > rational > > > > > > > ways and it seems odd to me we abstract a false notion of this > > into > > > > > > > our more social affairs. The model of non-science "science" in > > > > > > > politics and journalism needs to be eradicated so that > > > > values,passion, > > > > > > > humour and compassion can flow without being shunned as > > > > > > > 'emotionalism'. Tiny, abberant 'neutrinos' that might be > > tachyons > > > > > > > (with strange mass) can influence scientific thinking,yet years > > of > > > > > > > super-rich looting, war and more and more of our own in poverty > > > > hardly > > > > > > > cut muster amongst those in power. I find this intolerable. > > It's > > > > > > > like living in a world without data. > > > > > > > There are a couple of factors CERN needs to take into account > > before > > > > > > they can make any stong claims because the distance involved MUST > > be > > > > > > within 18 metres and the time within 60 nanoseconds, otherwise > > they've > > > > > > made a miscalculation. Firstly, were there any earth tremors > > between > > > > > > the last time they measured the distance and the time of the > > > > > > experiments that may have altered the distance. Secondly, there is > > no > > > > > > way to tag a neutrino with a return address, How do they know for > > > > > > certain that the neutrinos that struck the destination at Gran > > Sasso > > > > > > were, in fact, from CERN? Given the background of billions of > > stars > > > > > > in our galaxy and including all the stars in other galaxies, there > > is > > > > > > every chance that one of these stars was lined up at just the right > > > > > > time to shoot a stream of neutrinos in just the right direction to > > > > > > land in Gran Sasso. The fact that all stars can emit neutrinos in > > any > > > > > > direction at any time makes for countless sources of neutrinos and, > > > > > > with that, countless destinations. As it is very difficult to stop > > a > > > > > > neutrino, there is every chance that the neutrinos that landed at > > Gran > > > > > > Sasso just prior to the expected time, were, in fact, from an > > > > > > unexpected source. Proving or disproving that is nigh on > > impossible; > > > > > > so I put very little weight on this seemingly aberrant result, > > > > > > especially as a similar aberrant result happened in the States a > > few > > > > > > years back and it was discovered that, in truth, a miscalculation > > had > > > > > > been made by the scientists and the speed of light remained > > > > > > unchallenged. We'll see. > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > |_D Allan > > > > If your life is not going right, try making a left turn > > > > life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
