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It is true it repeats itself regularly.. CERN is not looking for a red face.. I do not see them rushing to build a second CERN they are a little beyond my pocket change at the moment (see me in 500 year then we will talk about it) On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Oct 13, 7:21 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > okay Pat to quote you: Scientists are a stubborn bunch and see that which > > they WANT to see. > > > > That is true,, except it is strange that on random timed tests the same > > event occurs and they are checking for neutrinos else where looking to > > eliminate the random event .. what they are saying is "a particle is > > arriving before it should.".. that it,, but that is very interesting.. > > > > what it is time will tell > > Allan > > > > Again, I agree. Time will tell and the experiment and potential > result were interesting. It just needs to be repeated regularly, now, > using different (but similar) equipment and between different > locations. It still could end up only implying that the neutrinos are > discovering ways to exploit extra-dimensional short-cuts rather than > actually moving faster-than-light. > > BTW, everyone, I'm still on target for a 21-Dec-2011 release date for > my book; however, the publisher has, now, changed the name of the > publishing company and it will be published by 'New Lime Publishing'. > I'll get you (plural) the website as soon as it's up and running. I > promise that New Lime will get you your copies as quickly as Amazon > would; but, with a VERY key difference: when we see any of your names > on the order forms, you can rest assured that your copies will be > signed by the author (that's me!) with a unique message for each of > you!!!! Through Amazon, that kind of 'order scrutiny' would be > impossible. > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Pat <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > On Oct 7, 7:45 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I don't think they know for sure just what they know for sure just > what > > > they > > > > are something is arriving before the speed of light sez it should. > > > > > > I think that is cool > > > > Allan > > > > > I think it's interesting, but they still can't rule out the fact that > > > the neutrinos that arrived 'early' MAY have not come from CERN. Every > > > star emits neutrinos in all directions at any time and as it is very > > > difficult to stop neutrinos, they pass through most > > > everything...including the Earth. The fact that Gran Sasso had > > > created an object that WOULD stop neutrinos guarantees that, at some > > > point in time, it would do just that. They'll never be able to rule > > > out the possibility that the 'early' neutrinos may have been sourced > > > from some place other than CERN and that will always cause doubt. If > > > the scientists don't accept that, then they are as idiotic as the > > > Church was when it demanded that the Sun revolve around the Earth. > > > Scientists are a stubborn bunch and see that which they WANT to see. > > > If they discover that neutrinos can consistently arrive at their > > > destination faster than the speed of light, it may not upset Special > > > Relativity at all, rather, it may provide evidence that the neutrinos > > > are taking a short cut via a different dimension. If so, then it > > > points towards a String Theory-based universe. As I said...we'll > > > see. I'm still publishing based on Special Relativity and my book > > > explains what I've said above regarding other potential sources for > > > the neutrinos. This result begs more questions than it answers and > > > THAT little fact only helps me with regard to String Theory. ;-) > > > > > > On Oct 7, 2011 8:39 PM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I'd guess they do know the origin as Cern - but they ain't sure > they > > > > > are neutrinos. > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 2:58 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Pat it was not a one time affair,, checked and rechecked.. > > > > > > it will be changing or rather challenging the concepts > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Pat < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Oct 4, 1:47 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I do not think time travel is putting it correctly. what I > think > > > > > they > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > really saying is that there are laws beyond those that we > know > > > and > > > > > > > > understand today,, they went to extreme measures to verify > the > > > > > > > > measurements Like actually measure the speed of light to > with in > > > 18 > > > > > cm > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > make sure the calculations were correct. like stopping the > > > traffic > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > the trans alps tunnel so it would not interfere with > > > measurements.. > > > > > > > > > > I have known for many years that in the spiritual world that > when > > > you > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > you know it all there is more,, wonder what the new models > will > > > look > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > ,, any ideas Pat? > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > Loads. I think the neutrinos that landed early weren't from > CERN, > > > > > > > but, of course, there's no way to prove or disprove that. > > > > > > > Alternatively, if strings weave in and out of the Calabi-Yau > space > > > as > > > > > > > I believe they do, then the Calabi-Yau space can serve as a > form of > > > > > > > Star Trek-like 'sub-space' that might be able to be used to > take > > > short- > > > > > > > cuts through space; but, it would only work for items that were > > > > > > > incredibly small, i.e., strings and, of course, in String > Theory, > > > > > > > neutrinos are simply strings vibrating in a particularly > unique way > > > as > > > > > > > to appear AS neutrinos. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 PM, archytas <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The problems are discussed in the link video. My world > without > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > is created by everything being skewed for instant > reception. > > > My > > > > > > > > > question is why we never put the effort of science into > social > > > > > > > > > questioning. These hard yards are always evaded. > > > > > > > > > The most fascinating issue in the neutrino experiment is > they > > > may > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > found the tachyon and this would open up the possibility of > > > > > > > > > information time travel and confirm very weird mass. > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 11:38 pm, Allan Heretic <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hoi Pat the measurements were within 18 inches.. they > did a > > > lot > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > verify the distance traveled.. it is just some > particals are > > > > > > > arriving > > > > > > > > > > sooner than they should. > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 11:28 am, Pat <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 9:28 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.universetoday.com/89407/particle-physics-and-faster-than-l. > > > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This link has a video with the best clarification > I've > > > heard. > > > > > > > One or > > > > > > > > > > > > two might be interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One idea I do like is that of neutrinos 'seeing' a > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > geometry. There are geometries in which distance is > > > > > illusory. > > > > > > > > > Knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > all this I'll still be taking the train into town. > > > People at > > > > > > > > > > > > Manchester 1864 don't think the results will hold, > but > > > are > > > > > > > spinning > > > > > > > > > > > > some examples of what would make sense assuming they > are > > > > > right. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > always feel a bit of sadness when amongst scientists > > > these > > > > > days - > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > to do with how different the world of sane dialogue > is > > > > > compared > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > everyday dross in which evidence is barely > understood and > > > > > reality > > > > > > > > > > > > denied in favour of Idols. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've become a fan of Rosanne Barr's candidature for > > > > > President. > > > > > > > Never > > > > > > > > > > > > liked her show. Neutrinos probably won't do much to > > > > > Einstein's > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff. Quite why economic data hasn't got us > thinking in > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > primitive terms like hers I don't understand. This > is > > > where > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > detail and supposed links with theory drives me. We > > > remain > > > > > > > medieval > > > > > > > > > > > > in all except science. Scientists do not proceed in > very > > > > > > > rational > > > > > > > > > > > > ways and it seems odd to me we abstract a false > notion of > > > > > this > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > our more social affairs. The model of non-science > > > "science" > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > politics and journalism needs to be eradicated so > that > > > > > > > > > values,passion, > > > > > > > > > > > > humour and compassion can flow without being shunned > as > > > > > > > > > > > > 'emotionalism'. Tiny, abberant 'neutrinos' that > might be > > > > > > > tachyons > > > > > > > > > > > > (with strange mass) can influence scientific > thinking,yet > > > > > years > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > super-rich looting, war and more and more of our own > in > > > > > poverty > > > > > > > > > hardly > > > > > > > > > > > > cut muster amongst those in power. I find this > > > intolerable. > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > like living in a world without data. > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are a couple of factors CERN needs to take into > > > account > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > they can make any stong claims because the distance > > > involved > > > > > MUST > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > within 18 metres and the time within 60 nanoseconds, > > > otherwise > > > > > > > they've > > > > > > > > > > > made a miscalculation. Firstly, were there any earth > > > tremors > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > the last time they measured the distance and the time > of > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > experiments that may have altered the distance. > Secondly, > > > > > there is > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > way to tag a neutrino with a return address, How do > they > > > know > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > certain that the neutrinos that struck the destination > at > > > Gran > > > > > > > Sasso > > > > > > > > > > > were, in fact, from CERN? Given the background of > billions > > > of > > > > > > > stars > > > > > > > > > > > in our galaxy and including all the stars in other > > > galaxies, > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > every chance that one of these stars was lined up at > just > > > the > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > time to shoot a stream of neutrinos in just the right > > > direction > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > land in Gran Sasso. The fact that all stars can emit > > > neutrinos > > > > > in > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > direction at any time makes for countless sources of > > > neutrinos > > > > > and, > > > > > > > > > > > with that, countless destinations. As it is very > difficult > > > to > > > > > stop > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > neutrino, there is every chance that the neutrinos that > > > landed > > > > > at > > > > > > > Gran > > > > > > > > > > > Sasso just prior to the expected time, were, in fact, > from > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > unexpected source. Proving or disproving that is nigh > on > > > > > > > impossible; > > > > > > > > > > > so I put very little weight on this seemingly aberrant > > > result, > > > > > > > > > > > especially as a similar aberrant result happened in the > > > States > > > > > a > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > years back and it was discovered that, in truth, a > > > > > miscalculation > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > been made by the scientists and the speed of light > remained > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
