Great vision , Allan. Maybe , after 500 year you will come back to life to head the Trust which you are proposing to found.
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > I normally buy my books though the ""Book Depository" in England,, I like > their world wide free shipping.. either that I send you the money you sign > it then send it to me.. > It is true it repeats itself regularly.. CERN is not looking for a red > face.. > I do not see them rushing to build a second CERN they are a little beyond > my pocket change at the moment (see me in 500 year then we will talk about > it) > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> On Oct 13, 7:21 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > okay Pat to quote you: Scientists are a stubborn bunch and see that >> > which >> > they WANT to see. >> > >> > That is true,, except it is strange that on random timed tests the same >> > event occurs and they are checking for neutrinos else where looking to >> > eliminate the random event .. what they are saying is "a particle is >> > arriving before it should.".. that it,, but that is very interesting.. >> > >> > what it is time will tell >> > Allan >> > >> >> Again, I agree. Time will tell and the experiment and potential >> result were interesting. It just needs to be repeated regularly, now, >> using different (but similar) equipment and between different >> locations. It still could end up only implying that the neutrinos are >> discovering ways to exploit extra-dimensional short-cuts rather than >> actually moving faster-than-light. >> >> BTW, everyone, I'm still on target for a 21-Dec-2011 release date for >> my book; however, the publisher has, now, changed the name of the >> publishing company and it will be published by 'New Lime Publishing'. >> I'll get you (plural) the website as soon as it's up and running. I >> promise that New Lime will get you your copies as quickly as Amazon >> would; but, with a VERY key difference: when we see any of your names >> on the order forms, you can rest assured that your copies will be >> signed by the author (that's me!) with a unique message for each of >> you!!!! Through Amazon, that kind of 'order scrutiny' would be >> impossible. >> >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Pat <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > On Oct 7, 7:45 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > I don't think they know for sure just what they know for sure just >> > > > what >> > > they >> > > > are something is arriving before the speed of light sez it should. >> > >> > > > I think that is cool >> > > > Allan >> > >> > > I think it's interesting, but they still can't rule out the fact that >> > > the neutrinos that arrived 'early' MAY have not come from CERN. Every >> > > star emits neutrinos in all directions at any time and as it is very >> > > difficult to stop neutrinos, they pass through most >> > > everything...including the Earth. The fact that Gran Sasso had >> > > created an object that WOULD stop neutrinos guarantees that, at some >> > > point in time, it would do just that. They'll never be able to rule >> > > out the possibility that the 'early' neutrinos may have been sourced >> > > from some place other than CERN and that will always cause doubt. If >> > > the scientists don't accept that, then they are as idiotic as the >> > > Church was when it demanded that the Sun revolve around the Earth. >> > > Scientists are a stubborn bunch and see that which they WANT to see. >> > > If they discover that neutrinos can consistently arrive at their >> > > destination faster than the speed of light, it may not upset Special >> > > Relativity at all, rather, it may provide evidence that the neutrinos >> > > are taking a short cut via a different dimension. If so, then it >> > > points towards a String Theory-based universe. As I said...we'll >> > > see. I'm still publishing based on Special Relativity and my book >> > > explains what I've said above regarding other potential sources for >> > > the neutrinos. This result begs more questions than it answers and >> > > THAT little fact only helps me with regard to String Theory. ;-) >> > >> > > > On Oct 7, 2011 8:39 PM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > I'd guess they do know the origin as Cern - but they ain't sure >> > > > > they >> > > > > are neutrinos. >> > >> > > > > On Oct 7, 2:58 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > Pat it was not a one time affair,, checked and rechecked.. >> > > > > > it will be changing or rather challenging the concepts >> > > > > > Allan >> > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Pat >> > > > > > <[email protected]> >> > > > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > On Oct 4, 1:47 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > I do not think time travel is putting it correctly. what I >> > > > > > > > think >> > > > > they >> > > > > > > are >> > > > > > > > really saying is that there are laws beyond those that we >> > > > > > > > know >> > > and >> > > > > > > > understand today,, they went to extreme measures to verify >> > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > measurements Like actually measure the speed of light to >> > > > > > > > with in >> > > 18 >> > > > > cm >> > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > make sure the calculations were correct. like stopping the >> > > traffic >> > > > > > > though >> > > > > > > > the trans alps tunnel so it would not interfere with >> > > measurements.. >> > >> > > > > > > > I have known for many years that in the spiritual world that >> > > > > > > > when >> > > you >> > > > > > > think >> > > > > > > > you know it all there is more,, wonder what the new models >> > > > > > > > will >> > > look >> > > > > > > like >> > > > > > > > ,, any ideas Pat? >> > > > > > > > Allan >> > >> > > > > > > Loads. I think the neutrinos that landed early weren't from >> > > > > > > CERN, >> > > > > > > but, of course, there's no way to prove or disprove that. >> > > > > > > Alternatively, if strings weave in and out of the Calabi-Yau >> > > > > > > space >> > > as >> > > > > > > I believe they do, then the Calabi-Yau space can serve as a >> > > > > > > form of >> > > > > > > Star Trek-like 'sub-space' that might be able to be used to >> > > > > > > take >> > > short- >> > > > > > > cuts through space; but, it would only work for items that >> > > > > > > were >> > > > > > > incredibly small, i.e., strings and, of course, in String >> > > > > > > Theory, >> > > > > > > neutrinos are simply strings vibrating in a particularly >> > > > > > > unique way >> > > as >> > > > > > > to appear AS neutrinos. >> > >> > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 PM, archytas <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > The problems are discussed in the link video. My world >> > > > > > > > > without >> > > > > data >> > > > > > > > > is created by everything being skewed for instant >> > > > > > > > > reception. >> > > My >> > > > > > > > > question is why we never put the effort of science into >> > > > > > > > > social >> > > > > > > > > questioning. These hard yards are always evaded. >> > > > > > > > > The most fascinating issue in the neutrino experiment is >> > > > > > > > > they >> > > may >> > > > > have >> > > > > > > > > found the tachyon and this would open up the possibility >> > > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > information time travel and confirm very weird mass. >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 11:38 pm, Allan Heretic <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > Hoi Pat the measurements were within 18 inches.. they >> > > > > > > > > > did a >> > > lot >> > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > > verify the distance traveled.. it is just some >> > > > > > > > > > particals are >> > > > > > > arriving >> > > > > > > > > > sooner than they should. >> > > > > > > > > > Allan >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 11:28 am, Pat <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 9:28 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > >> > > > > >http://www.universetoday.com/89407/particle-physics-and-faster-than-l. >> > > > > > > .. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > This link has a video with the best clarification >> > > > > > > > > > > > I've >> > > heard. >> > > > > > > One or >> > > > > > > > > > > > two might be interested. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > One idea I do like is that of neutrinos 'seeing' a >> > > different >> > > > > > > > > > > > geometry. There are geometries in which distance is >> > > > > illusory. >> > > > > > > > > Knowing >> > > > > > > > > > > > all this I'll still be taking the train into town. >> > > People at >> > > > > > > > > > > > Manchester 1864 don't think the results will hold, >> > > > > > > > > > > > but >> > > are >> > > > > > > spinning >> > > > > > > > > > > > some examples of what would make sense assuming they >> > > > > > > > > > > > are >> > > > > right. >> > > > > > > I >> > > > > > > > > > > > always feel a bit of sadness when amongst scientists >> > > these >> > > > > days - >> > > > > > > > > it's >> > > > > > > > > > > > to do with how different the world of sane dialogue >> > > > > > > > > > > > is >> > > > > compared >> > > > > > > with >> > > > > > > > > > > > everyday dross in which evidence is barely >> > > > > > > > > > > > understood and >> > > > > reality >> > > > > > > > > > > > denied in favour of Idols. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I've become a fan of Rosanne Barr's candidature for >> > > > > President. >> > > > > > > Never >> > > > > > > > > > > > liked her show. Neutrinos probably won't do much to >> > > > > Einstein's >> > > > > > > > > > > > stuff. Quite why economic data hasn't got us >> > > > > > > > > > > > thinking in >> > > > > more >> > > > > > > > > > > > primitive terms like hers I don't understand. This >> > > > > > > > > > > > is >> > > where >> > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > detail and supposed links with theory drives me. We >> > > remain >> > > > > > > medieval >> > > > > > > > > > > > in all except science. Scientists do not proceed in >> > > > > > > > > > > > very >> > > > > > > rational >> > > > > > > > > > > > ways and it seems odd to me we abstract a false >> > > > > > > > > > > > notion of >> > > > > this >> > > > > > > into >> > > > > > > > > > > > our more social affairs. The model of non-science >> > > "science" >> > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > > > > politics and journalism needs to be eradicated so >> > > > > > > > > > > > that >> > > > > > > > > values,passion, >> > > > > > > > > > > > humour and compassion can flow without being shunned >> > > > > > > > > > > > as >> > > > > > > > > > > > 'emotionalism'. Tiny, abberant 'neutrinos' that >> > > > > > > > > > > > might be >> > > > > > > tachyons >> > > > > > > > > > > > (with strange mass) can influence scientific >> > > > > > > > > > > > thinking,yet >> > > > > years >> > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > > > > super-rich looting, war and more and more of our own >> > > > > > > > > > > > in >> > > > > poverty >> > > > > > > > > hardly >> > > > > > > > > > > > cut muster amongst those in power. I find this >> > > intolerable. >> > > > > > > It's >> > > > > > > > > > > > like living in a world without data. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > There are a couple of factors CERN needs to take into >> > > account >> > > > > > > before >> > > > > > > > > > > they can make any stong claims because the distance >> > > involved >> > > > > MUST >> > > > > > > be >> > > > > > > > > > > within 18 metres and the time within 60 nanoseconds, >> > > otherwise >> > > > > > > they've >> > > > > > > > > > > made a miscalculation. Firstly, were there any earth >> > > tremors >> > > > > > > between >> > > > > > > > > > > the last time they measured the distance and the time >> > > > > > > > > > > of >> > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > experiments that may have altered the distance. >> > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, >> > > > > there is >> > > > > > > no >> > > > > > > > > > > way to tag a neutrino with a return address, How do >> > > > > > > > > > > they >> > > know >> > > > > for >> > > > > > > > > > > certain that the neutrinos that struck the destination >> > > > > > > > > > > at >> > > Gran >> > > > > > > Sasso >> > > > > > > > > > > were, in fact, from CERN? Given the background of >> > > > > > > > > > > billions >> > > of >> > > > > > > stars >> > > > > > > > > > > in our galaxy and including all the stars in other >> > > galaxies, >> > > > > there >> > > > > > > is >> > > > > > > > > > > every chance that one of these stars was lined up at >> > > > > > > > > > > just >> > > the >> > > > > right >> > > > > > > > > > > time to shoot a stream of neutrinos in just the right >> > > direction >> > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > > > land in Gran Sasso. The fact that all stars can emit >> > > neutrinos >> > > > > in >> > > > > > > any >> > > > > > > > > > > direction at any time makes for countless sources of >> > > neutrinos >> > > > > and, >> > > > > > > > > > > with that, countless destinations. As it is very >> > > > > > > > > > > difficult >> > > to >> > > > > stop >> > > > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > > > neutrino, there is every chance that the neutrinos >> > > > > > > > > > > that >> > > landed >> > > > > at >> > > > > > > Gran >> > > > > > > > > > > Sasso just prior to the expected time, were, in fact, >> > > > > > > > > > > from >> > > an >> > > > > > > > > > > unexpected source. Proving or disproving that is nigh >> > > > > > > > > > > on >> > > > > > > impossible; >> > > > > > > > > > > so I put very little weight on this seemingly aberrant >> > > result, >> > > > > > > > > > > especially as a similar aberrant result happened in >> > > > > > > > > > > the >> > > States >> > > > > a >> > > > > > > few >> > > > > > > > > > > years back and it was discovered that, in truth, a >> > > > > miscalculation >> > > > > > > had >> > > > > > > > > > > been made by the scientists and the speed of light >> > > > > > > > > > > remained >> > >> > ... >> > >> > read more »- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > >
