Hm, but how do we find out that this saying is not a rich man's trick to fool us camels to keep on being their water carriers?
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > Actually I do not want to think I would want to it is far to much money > and it has been said it is easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle > than a rich man to get into heaven. > Allan > > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:55 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Great vision , Allan. Maybe , after 500 year you will come back to >> life to head the Trust which you are proposing to found. >> >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I normally buy my books though the ""Book Depository" in England,, I >> like >> > their world wide free shipping.. either that I send you the money you >> sign >> > it then send it to me.. >> > It is true it repeats itself regularly.. CERN is not looking for a red >> > face.. >> > I do not see them rushing to build a second CERN they are a little >> beyond >> > my pocket change at the moment (see me in 500 year then we will talk >> about >> > it) >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Pat <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 13, 7:21 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > okay Pat to quote you: Scientists are a stubborn bunch and see that >> >> > which >> >> > they WANT to see. >> >> > >> >> > That is true,, except it is strange that on random timed tests the >> same >> >> > event occurs and they are checking for neutrinos else where looking >> to >> >> > eliminate the random event .. what they are saying is "a particle is >> >> > arriving before it should.".. that it,, but that is very >> interesting.. >> >> > >> >> > what it is time will tell >> >> > Allan >> >> > >> >> >> >> Again, I agree. Time will tell and the experiment and potential >> >> result were interesting. It just needs to be repeated regularly, now, >> >> using different (but similar) equipment and between different >> >> locations. It still could end up only implying that the neutrinos are >> >> discovering ways to exploit extra-dimensional short-cuts rather than >> >> actually moving faster-than-light. >> >> >> >> BTW, everyone, I'm still on target for a 21-Dec-2011 release date for >> >> my book; however, the publisher has, now, changed the name of the >> >> publishing company and it will be published by 'New Lime Publishing'. >> >> I'll get you (plural) the website as soon as it's up and running. I >> >> promise that New Lime will get you your copies as quickly as Amazon >> >> would; but, with a VERY key difference: when we see any of your names >> >> on the order forms, you can rest assured that your copies will be >> >> signed by the author (that's me!) with a unique message for each of >> >> you!!!! Through Amazon, that kind of 'order scrutiny' would be >> >> impossible. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Pat <[email protected] >> > >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > On Oct 7, 7:45 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > I don't think they know for sure just what they know for sure >> just >> >> > > > what >> >> > > they >> >> > > > are something is arriving before the speed of light sez it >> should. >> >> > >> >> > > > I think that is cool >> >> > > > Allan >> >> > >> >> > > I think it's interesting, but they still can't rule out the fact >> that >> >> > > the neutrinos that arrived 'early' MAY have not come from CERN. >> Every >> >> > > star emits neutrinos in all directions at any time and as it is >> very >> >> > > difficult to stop neutrinos, they pass through most >> >> > > everything...including the Earth. The fact that Gran Sasso had >> >> > > created an object that WOULD stop neutrinos guarantees that, at >> some >> >> > > point in time, it would do just that. They'll never be able to >> rule >> >> > > out the possibility that the 'early' neutrinos may have been >> sourced >> >> > > from some place other than CERN and that will always cause doubt. >> If >> >> > > the scientists don't accept that, then they are as idiotic as the >> >> > > Church was when it demanded that the Sun revolve around the Earth. >> >> > > Scientists are a stubborn bunch and see that which they WANT to >> see. >> >> > > If they discover that neutrinos can consistently arrive at their >> >> > > destination faster than the speed of light, it may not upset >> Special >> >> > > Relativity at all, rather, it may provide evidence that the >> neutrinos >> >> > > are taking a short cut via a different dimension. If so, then it >> >> > > points towards a String Theory-based universe. As I said...we'll >> >> > > see. I'm still publishing based on Special Relativity and my book >> >> > > explains what I've said above regarding other potential sources for >> >> > > the neutrinos. This result begs more questions than it answers and >> >> > > THAT little fact only helps me with regard to String Theory. ;-) >> >> > >> >> > > > On Oct 7, 2011 8:39 PM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > > > I'd guess they do know the origin as Cern - but they ain't sure >> >> > > > > they >> >> > > > > are neutrinos. >> >> > >> >> > > > > On Oct 7, 2:58 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > Pat it was not a one time affair,, checked and rechecked.. >> >> > > > > > it will be changing or rather challenging the concepts >> >> > > > > > Allan >> >> > >> >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Pat >> >> > > > > > <[email protected]> >> >> > > > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > > > > > On Oct 4, 1:47 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > I do not think time travel is putting it correctly. what >> I >> >> > > > > > > > think >> >> > > > > they >> >> > > > > > > are >> >> > > > > > > > really saying is that there are laws beyond those that we >> >> > > > > > > > know >> >> > > and >> >> > > > > > > > understand today,, they went to extreme measures to >> verify >> >> > > > > > > > the >> >> > > > > > > > measurements Like actually measure the speed of light to >> >> > > > > > > > with in >> >> > > 18 >> >> > > > > cm >> >> > > > > > > to >> >> > > > > > > > make sure the calculations were correct. like stopping >> the >> >> > > traffic >> >> > > > > > > though >> >> > > > > > > > the trans alps tunnel so it would not interfere with >> >> > > measurements.. >> >> > >> >> > > > > > > > I have known for many years that in the spiritual world >> that >> >> > > > > > > > when >> >> > > you >> >> > > > > > > think >> >> > > > > > > > you know it all there is more,, wonder what the new >> models >> >> > > > > > > > will >> >> > > look >> >> > > > > > > like >> >> > > > > > > > ,, any ideas Pat? >> >> > > > > > > > Allan >> >> > >> >> > > > > > > Loads. I think the neutrinos that landed early weren't >> from >> >> > > > > > > CERN, >> >> > > > > > > but, of course, there's no way to prove or disprove that. >> >> > > > > > > Alternatively, if strings weave in and out of the >> Calabi-Yau >> >> > > > > > > space >> >> > > as >> >> > > > > > > I believe they do, then the Calabi-Yau space can serve as a >> >> > > > > > > form of >> >> > > > > > > Star Trek-like 'sub-space' that might be able to be used to >> >> > > > > > > take >> >> > > short- >> >> > > > > > > cuts through space; but, it would only work for items that >> >> > > > > > > were >> >> > > > > > > incredibly small, i.e., strings and, of course, in String >> >> > > > > > > Theory, >> >> > > > > > > neutrinos are simply strings vibrating in a particularly >> >> > > > > > > unique way >> >> > > as >> >> > > > > > > to appear AS neutrinos. >> >> > >> >> > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 PM, archytas < >> [email protected]> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > The problems are discussed in the link video. My world >> >> > > > > > > > > without >> >> > > > > data >> >> > > > > > > > > is created by everything being skewed for instant >> >> > > > > > > > > reception. >> >> > > My >> >> > > > > > > > > question is why we never put the effort of science into >> >> > > > > > > > > social >> >> > > > > > > > > questioning. These hard yards are always evaded. >> >> > > > > > > > > The most fascinating issue in the neutrino experiment >> is >> >> > > > > > > > > they >> >> > > may >> >> > > > > have >> >> > > > > > > > > found the tachyon and this would open up the >> possibility >> >> > > > > > > > > of >> >> > > > > > > > > information time travel and confirm very weird mass. >> >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 11:38 pm, Allan Heretic < >> [email protected]> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > Hoi Pat the measurements were within 18 inches.. >> they >> >> > > > > > > > > > did a >> >> > > lot >> >> > > > > to >> >> > > > > > > > > > verify the distance traveled.. it is just some >> >> > > > > > > > > > particals are >> >> > > > > > > arriving >> >> > > > > > > > > > sooner than they should. >> >> > > > > > > > > > Allan >> >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 11:28 am, Pat < >> [email protected]> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 9:28 am, archytas <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > > >> http://www.universetoday.com/89407/particle-physics-and-faster-than-l. >> >> > > > > > > .. >> >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > This link has a video with the best clarification >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > I've >> >> > > heard. >> >> > > > > > > One or >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > two might be interested. >> >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > One idea I do like is that of neutrinos 'seeing' >> a >> >> > > different >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > geometry. There are geometries in which distance >> is >> >> > > > > illusory. >> >> > > > > > > > > Knowing >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > all this I'll still be taking the train into >> town. >> >> > > People at >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Manchester 1864 don't think the results will >> hold, >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > but >> >> > > are >> >> > > > > > > spinning >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > some examples of what would make sense assuming >> they >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > are >> >> > > > > right. >> >> > > > > > > I >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > always feel a bit of sadness when amongst >> scientists >> >> > > these >> >> > > > > days - >> >> > > > > > > > > it's >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > to do with how different the world of sane >> dialogue >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > is >> >> > > > > compared >> >> > > > > > > with >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > everyday dross in which evidence is barely >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > understood and >> >> > > > > reality >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > denied in favour of Idols. >> >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > I've become a fan of Rosanne Barr's candidature >> for >> >> > > > > President. >> >> > > > > > > Never >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > liked her show. Neutrinos probably won't do much >> to >> >> > > > > Einstein's >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > stuff. Quite why economic data hasn't got us >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > thinking in >> >> > > > > more >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > primitive terms like hers I don't understand. >> This >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > is >> >> > > where >> >> > > > > the >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > detail and supposed links with theory drives me. >> We >> >> > > remain >> >> > > > > > > medieval >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > in all except science. Scientists do not proceed >> in >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > very >> >> > > > > > > rational >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > ways and it seems odd to me we abstract a false >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > notion of >> >> > > > > this >> >> > > > > > > into >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > our more social affairs. The model of >> non-science >> >> > > "science" >> >> > > > > in >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > politics and journalism needs to be eradicated so >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > that >> >> > > > > > > > > values,passion, >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > humour and compassion can flow without being >> shunned >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > as >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > 'emotionalism'. Tiny, abberant 'neutrinos' that >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > might be >> >> > > > > > > tachyons >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > (with strange mass) can influence scientific >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > thinking,yet >> >> > > > > years >> >> > > > > > > of >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > super-rich looting, war and more and more of our >> own >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > in >> >> > > > > poverty >> >> > > > > > > > > hardly >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > cut muster amongst those in power. I find this >> >> > > intolerable. >> >> > > > > > > It's >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > like living in a world without data. >> >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > There are a couple of factors CERN needs to take >> into >> >> > > account >> >> > > > > > > before >> >> > > > > > > > > > > they can make any stong claims because the distance >> >> > > involved >> >> > > > > MUST >> >> > > > > > > be >> >> > > > > > > > > > > within 18 metres and the time within 60 >> nanoseconds, >> >> > > otherwise >> >> > > > > > > they've >> >> > > > > > > > > > > made a miscalculation. Firstly, were there any >> earth >> >> > > tremors >> >> > > > > > > between >> >> > > > > > > > > > > the last time they measured the distance and the >> time >> >> > > > > > > > > > > of >> >> > > the >> >> > > > > > > > > > > experiments that may have altered the distance. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, >> >> > > > > there is >> >> > > > > > > no >> >> > > > > > > > > > > way to tag a neutrino with a return address, How >> do >> >> > > > > > > > > > > they >> >> > > know >> >> > > > > for >> >> > > > > > > > > > > certain that the neutrinos that struck the >> destination >> >> > > > > > > > > > > at >> >> > > Gran >> >> > > > > > > Sasso >> >> > > > > > > > > > > were, in fact, from CERN? Given the background of >> >> > > > > > > > > > > billions >> >> > > of >> >> > > > > > > stars >> >> > > > > > > > > > > in our galaxy and including all the stars in other >> >> > > galaxies, >> >> > > > > there >> >> > > > > > > is >> >> > > > > > > > > > > every chance that one of these stars was lined up >> at >> >> > > > > > > > > > > just >> >> > > the >> >> > > > > right >> >> > > > > > > > > > > time to shoot a stream of neutrinos in just the >> right >> >> > > direction >> >> > > > > to >> >> > > > > > > > > > > land in Gran Sasso. The fact that all stars can >> emit >> >> > > neutrinos >> >> > > > > in >> >> > > > > > > any >> >> > > > > > > > > > > direction at any time makes for countless sources >> of >> >> > > neutrinos >> >> > > > > and, >> >> > > > > > > > > > > with that, countless destinations. As it is very >> >> > > > > > > > > > > difficult >> >> > > to >> >> > > > > stop >> >> > > > > > > a >> >> > > > > > > > > > > neutrino, there is every chance that the neutrinos >> >> > > > > > > > > > > that >> >> > > landed >> >> > > > > at >> >> > > > > > > Gran >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Sasso just prior to the expected time, were, in >> fact, >> >> > > > > > > > > > > from >> >> > > an >> >> > > > > > > > > > > unexpected source. Proving or disproving that is >> nigh >> >> > > > > > > > > > > on >> >> > > > > > > impossible; >> >> > > > > > > > > > > so I put very little weight on this seemingly >> aberrant >> >> > > result, >> >> > > > > > > > > > > especially as a similar aberrant result happened in >> >> > > > > > > > > > > the >> >> > > States >> >> > > > > a >> >> > > > > > > few >> >> > > > > > > > > > > years back and it was discovered that, in truth, a >> >> > > > > miscalculation >> >> > > > > > > had >> >> > > > > > > > > > > been made by the scientists and the speed of light >> >> > > > > > > > > > > remained >> >> > >> >> > ... >> >> > >> >> > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >> >> > >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ( >> > ) >> > |_D Allan >> > >> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > >
