Hello Crookedmaze, you are too verbose for me to reply inline; thus: - snapshots stability: I use the latest snapshot for a very short time on my notebook, then on my production machines (same arch of course). Doing this for years and bitten me only twice. Follow current.html, though! Bonus: If you run -current it seems to me you get more attention from the devs. - http://www.tedunangst.com/snapper.html Tried to use it when it was new, did not work for me, whatever that might mean.
Bye, Marcus themazed...@gmail.com (Crookedmaze), 2013.02.10 (Sun) 14:33 (CET): > On 02/10/2013 02:40 AM, James Griffin wrote: > >--> Jan Stary<h...@stare.cz> [2013-02-10 09:08:14 +0100]: > > > >>On Feb 09 21:11:56, themazed...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>On 02/09/2013 08:42 PM, System Administrator wrote: > >>>>OpenBSD is all about KISS (simplicity) -- have you tried running the bi- > >>>>annual release update procedure? have you read (carefully) the FAQ > >>>>section on upgrading? Many users report it takes less than 15 minutes > >>>>to perform a *remote* upgrade. Also you need to mind that OpenBSD does > >>>>not support version rollbacks or offer binary updates to stable. So > >>>>will an additional tool which requires ongoing maintenance and a > >>>>configuration file setup, really add value (simplicity) ? > >>>> > >>>>On 9 Feb 2013 at 20:23, Crookedmaze wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>Dear OpenBSD Community, > >>>>> > >>>>>Hello I am wondering if there is a tool similar to FreeBSD-update on > >>>>>OpenBSD? If not are there any reasons for why a tool like this > >>>>>hasn't been developed? Also if there isn't a tool like this > >>>>>(I am pretty sure there isn't one as I have checked) if I were to > >>>>>develop one do you think it would be accepted into OpenBSD? Please > >>>>>let me know what you think! > >>>>> > >>>>>Sincerely, > >>>>>Crookedmaze > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>Yes, System Administrator I have had a look at the FAQ the reason I am > >>>asking about such a tool is because it seems as if the only way to > >>>update OpenBSD (Errata update wise) is to download a patch from > >>>the errata page and to manually patch the source code then follow the > >>>instructions for applying the patch (Or you could follow stable using > >>>CVS). I just thought it would be easier (and Simpler) if you were > >>>able to patch the version of OpenBSD you are running by simply typing > >>>openbsd-update which would then apply the security update by download > >>>and installing a binary package. > >>Just upgrade with a snapshot, like everyone else. > >>It doesn't get much simpler than that. > >This is absolutely true. I'm fairly new to OpenBSD and have been > >upgrading using snapshots since November and it takes minutes to > >complete and couldn't be easier IMO, even for an idiot like me :-). > > > >I used FreeBSD for many years but will not go back to it now. This > >project is superior and whilst I can understand the reasons for > >your suggestion, it just isn't needed. > > > Thanks for replying guys, I have looked into using snapshots but it > looks like the snapshots are based off of current and I had a look at > the FAQ and in section 5.1 of the FAQ it says. > > "Between formal releases of OpenBSD, /snapshots/ are made available > through the FTP sites <http://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html>. As the name > implies, these are builds of whatever > code is in the tree at the instant the builder grabbed a copy of the > code for that > particular platform. Remember, on some platforms, it may be DAYS before > the snapshot build is completed and put out for distribution. There is no > promise that the snapshots are completely functional, or even install." > > This makes me a little nervous and I think I would rather just follow > release with errata patches or just follow stable. OK, System > Administrator I see what you mean by overhead now, now that I think about > it I am starting to see what you mean by undue burdon (why would you add > something new if what is being used right now works just fine?) I will > have to have a look at marc.info and see what I can find on the topic on > binary updates there also. Nick your right I should stop trying to make > OpenBSD like FreeBSD or Linux, in all honestly I don't really mind the > current update process, really the only actual "problem" I have had with > it is simply that if you had multiple servers running OpenBSD > (eg if you had 200 servers why would you build the patch on all 200 of > them) but the tool Brian suggested I look at looked promising in that > it looks like you could just apply the patch on a single system build a > package and have all the other servers install the package. > Nick I also agree with you that there is > a certain "simple elegance" about OpenBSD its actually one of my > favorite things about OpenBSD in that it is secure by default > and the installer for it is great because I can install OpenBSD > in about 3 minutes (as opposed to 20-30+ minutes on others) > not to mention all the time I would normally have to spend > hardening the system post install. With OpenBSD its just a matter > of checking the errata page. > > -Crookedmaze > > > !DSPAM:5117a209295471622935288!
