On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 07:57, Bernhard Praschinger wrote:
> Hallo
> 
> > I am trying to capture a VHS PAL film using a DC10+ card (Pinnacle).
> > The capture works fine, but I have to move the bottom field forward in
> > order to get the correct pair of fields in the same frame.  This works
> > fine, but the next problem I don't know how to solve: the interlacing
> > order appears to change every 1-4 frames.  First I tried changing the
> That sounds really strange. How much lst/ins frames do you get when you
> record the part ?
> 
I think for the 3 hours (using S-Video input), there were about 5 lost
frames, and I'm not sure how many ins.  I today rerecorded another 10
seconds with 0 lst and 0 ins and I've put 14 frames worth here:

http://www.scottwaye.com/lstest.avi


> Are you soure that you always have interlacing. When there is no movment
> in the Video 
> 
Yes even if the there is no movement for some frames you can see a comb
effect.

> > order but of course this changes which frames are correct and which
> > display the comb effect.  Is there any tool which can analyse the pair
> > of fields and decide which should be the top on a frame by frame basis?
> Not really. you can deinterlace the stream. which should work well or,
> just leave it interlaced. You won't see comb effects on your TV-set. If
> you play it back on a computer, most DVD player SW has a nice
> deinterlacer that can also do the job. 
> 
I don't understand when you say "You won't see comb effects on your
TV-set"  I thought that when an interlaced stream is played on a tv, one
half of the frame is played on one vertical scan, and on the next scan
the other half of the frame is played _between_ the lines of the first
half.  Is that right?  If so then if the order of the top/bottom fields
is wrong, wouldn't the comb effect would still be visible above and
below changing vertical boundaries, i.e. above and below the letters in
titles?


> > Or is my only option to drop the vertical resolution?
> My personal opinion, ist to record at halfe size (-d 2) you have no
> interlacing than. That resolution (PAL: 352x288 NTSC: 352x240) in MPEG1
> is allowed for DVD's according to the DVD Demystified
> (http://dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html) 
> 
Thanks for the advice, I'll try that and compare the resulting mpeg

> For more information about which size is usefull for recording form VCR.
> You should take a look at the mjpeg-users mailinglist archive thread:
> Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCR capture , Richard Ellis and I wrote at the
> 23.Sept.2004
> 
Thanks for that, I'll take a look and try the whole process again. 
Although I notice today that the whole picture jumps up and down a small
amount when played back VCR->DC10->xawtv and this vertical shaking is
visible in the lavrec recorded avi and the encoded mpeg (on the computer
and tv).  The video played back VCR->TV is steady.  Has anyone else had
this?

> > I intend to make a DVD for playback on a non-progressive system.
> If you record at full resolution deinterlacing with yuvdenoise might be
> a rather good and easy solution. 
> 
Ok, I'll give that a go too.

> auf hoffentlich bald,
> 
> Berni the Chaos of Woodquarter
> 
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~gz/bernhard



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