I just read the tag lines about the Vortex project GTi - it sounds way too much
like cars I've owned for me to be comfortable - lines like "The big
bumpers...held on my sheet metal screws to the small bumper rebar..." My
original 8v car that was the recipient of a 16v swap had Euro bumpers that were
held on by a wing and a prayer - I hadn't learned about JB Weld yet SO at least
they were bolted on. It wasn't until many years later when I had a Mk1 MR2
that I discovered how to use Dura-Glass to "mold" fiberglass bumpers onto the
bodywork instead of actually bolting the covers to the car.
I agree - no one collects old cars for reasons other than aesthetics. As much
as I'm nostalgic about my parents' 69 Beetle, I can't say that I'm running out
to buy one b/c I've driven lawn tractors and they're fine, just not daily
transportation. The Mk1 and Mk2 VWs are certainly unique in their timeframe.
BMWs in that timeframe were unique as well but their disparity between what was
and what is currently in production is tremendous. VW's current production is
certainly better than in the mid-80s but VW has, to some small degree, stuck
with their roots and produced a car that (when compared to other cars in its
price range) is a Driver's Car.
That said, nothing I've driven in the past 5 years could be remotely considered
a Driver's Car by an iron-butt such as myself. All new cars are squishy and
soft which is fine for the "motoring public". Gimme a car that actually has
road feel and the like - the closest I've seen is the BRZ but I'm not at
liberty to part with thirty-thousand of my hard-earned dollars for that little
gem. I'd rather spend those dollars in smaller chunks on older, more visceral
but less capable cars that are more rewarding to drive.
On Friday, December 11, 2015 5:36 PM, Larry Velez <la...@sinu.com> wrote:
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{}-->Les, Thanks for keeping up the good fight! I hope this list helps
people a little with motivation – I know we all need a little of that. Do let
VW Heritage know that there is a market here for Mk2 parts and that many of us
would be buying them if they were available… Mathew is right there are
better cars today but people don’t collect 1920s Fords because they are good
cars – they collect and restore them because they are awesome to them. We
have the benefit that we can actually drive our collector cars at 100 MPH
without it falling apart. I think modern classics are the best of both worlds
and you can enjoy them much more than a 53 Porsche that does not have enough
power to get up a hill.. I think we are just getting into the hype for our
cars growing. The hype for BMWs of the same era has already exploded and I
think VWs of the era will ride some of that wave. This will encourage
aftermarket companies to start producing restoration parts so it is easier for
us to restore and maintain these cars. Here is some more inspiration in case
you had not already seen this:
http://www.vwvortex.com/features/project-cars/1985-volkswagen-gti-restoration/
There is another impressive thread for a white Mk2 on vortex where the guy
has done a true nut and bolt restoration with tons of new parts but I can’t
find that thread right now. -Larry 91 GTI 16V From:
mk2-16v@googlegroups.com [mailto:mk2-16v@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Les
Noriel
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 1:05 PM
To: mk2-16v@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [mk2-16v] Interesting find in Jacksonville, FL Matthew makes a
good point. Cars have really evolved in the past two decades. Horsepower,
traction, and safety have all made significant advancements over the past few
years. In addition, Our culture has really grown accustomed to creature
comforts. I've not seen a car with manual window cranks in years. Power windows
and locks with remote key access are standard in virtually every vehicle sold
today. My two VW projects are crude by today's standards. Personally, I've
grown fond of the comforts of my Audi A4 which makes the interior of the old
MKIIs primitive by comparison. And it's ten years old! Like many of us, my
car projects have slowly progressed over a period of decades. My wife has
allowed me to use the garage for my projects rather than parking cars. But I do
need to finish them at some point. Parts are getting more difficult to find.
There's nothing I like more than seeing a MKII VW restored and driving on the
road. Sometimes I just need the time and motivation to keep progressing. I
recently peeked into my Golf 16V and noticed that the new fabric on the
headliner which I installed a few years back has fallen. *Sigh*! I was so
proud of that achievement but now seems like I'll have to go back to square one
and do it again. Recently, VW Heritage has asked me to critique some of
their products for Project MKII 16V and write it up in my project blog. So I'm
looking through their catalog now. It gives me something to rekindle the
interest. -Les On Dec 8, 2015, at 8:48 AM, 'Matthew Yip' via MK2-16v
wrote:
Ah yes, the world of abandoned projects. My street car was a 97 Passat TDI
that is now for sale b/c of front-end damage. I can't bring myself to trash
the car even with 424K miles on the odo BUT it's valueless to anyone other than
a fanatic. Then again, I've met a Mk2 fanatic whose mission it seems is to
"save and restore all Mk2 VW products". As much as I like the cars, there are
newer and better cars in the world...(blasphemy, yes). On Tuesday,
December 8, 2015 11:27 AM, Holland Phillips <hollandphill...@gmail.com> wrote:
I had a '76 Mk1 that I was going to restore, probably into some sort of
race/street vehicle. It had a 1.6 8v motor with a terminal rod knock. Would
have been cool to put a fully modded 2.0 TSI motor in it, with a 6 speed,
Quaife (sp?) etc.
It had a straight body with some surface rust, but that's about it. It sat in
my driveway almost 20 years, then finally got a free ride to the "Auto
Recycler". ~Holland Yes - The Mk2 Slorocco, especially the 16v was essentially
a very overweight Rabbit. I had one and it was tonnes of fun - not as visceral
as the Mk1 by any stretch of the imagination but much more connected than
anything VW has produced since that time frame. On Tuesday, December 8,
2015 10:53 AM, Holland Phillips <hollandphill...@gmail.com> wrote: Matt,
I think you meant Mk 2 Scirocco, right?
'87 was Definitely Mk2... ~Holland On Dec 8, 2015 07:47, "'Matthew Yip' via
MK2-16v" <mk2-16v@googlegroups.com> wrote:
I have a hard time with "restored" - these cars just don't seem that old to me
BUT they're almost 30 years old at this point!!! (Damn, I'm OLD too). I
should probably keep this to myself BUT as a non-sunroof car, this restoration
car would make a great racecar candidate (that is if the Mk1 Slorocco weren't
such an overweight pig). Matthew On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 10:36
AM, Jack Simon <crabs...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://bringatrailer.com/2015/12/07/nicely-restored-1987-volkswagen-scirocco-16v/
http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/5329045176.html
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