Once you do a stage 3 kit the G60 is pretty quick. I had a vr6 corrado, the Windows would randomly till themselves down. Not so much fun in the winter!
Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 14, 2015, at 1:44 PM, 'Matthew Yip' via MK2-16v > <mk2-16v@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Based on how the cars have aged, you chose wisely. The Corrado was/is the > poster child for Electrical Gremlins and How to add a Supercharger and STILL > make your new car SLOW. Admittedly the Corrado is an interesting car but > even with the VR6, it's not exactly a rocketship - at least 1 ITS Corrado had > it's rear bumper cover "worn out" by a Mk2 GTi that insisted on pushing it > out of turns. > > > > On Monday, December 14, 2015 3:06 PM, 'DocWyte' via MK2-16v > <mk2-16v@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > I bought my '91 GTI 16v in '92 with 9,000 miles on it for $11k. New I > believe it was $13-14k. I was deciding between the GTI and a Corrado G60 > that had 22k miles on it for $8k... > > > > On Monday, December 14, 2015 7:59 AM, 'Matthew Yip' via MK2-16v > <mk2-16v@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > The new cars have developed almost to the point that even an experienced > driver isn't capable of driving them at the limit. The infatuation with time > around the Nurburgring is amusing and while it does have some correlation to > the real world, a tiny percentage of drivers are at that level let alone > drive like that on the street. > > I've been playing various and sundry video games for amusement and find that > the ultra-fast cars aren't much fun in a game b/c they're simply too fast and > twitchy. Give me a low horsepower car that handles well and in the real > world, with similar skill sets, the slower car will win b/c the faster car is > too hard to drive fast without "great sadness". > > > > On Monday, December 14, 2015 12:25 AM, Les Noriel <les.nor...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I did watch a video of a beautiful 2.0l 16V Ford powered Caterham run the > ring. It was a single lap recorded running against a Porsche 996 GT2. The > Porsche was far more powerful but the Caterham was much faster in the turns. > I'm sure the skill of the driver had much to do with its success too. The > Youtube video recorded a single lap and was 8:28 in length. > > That Caterham is far more balanced setup for the track than our street cars > and it's Ford 2.0l is capable of 238hp > > I'm sure Matthew's skill levels behind the wheel would be comfortable at > those speeds. I've only done competitive Kart racing which isn't anywhere > near those track speeds. I would likely have a heart attack taking those > turns that fast! > > Les > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Holland Phillips > <hollandphill...@gmail.com> wrote: > I purchased my '92 GTI 16V with 15,900 miles at a VW dealership in 1994 for > $13,400. I think the MSRP new was close to $18K. A stock '91-'92 GTI 16V > would probably be lucky to break 20 minutes at the 'Ring. The cars that > approach the magical seven minute mark all have well in excess of 600hp, > carbon ceramic brakes, active aero dynamics, etc., and cost over $100K. The > exception is the Corvette Z06, with an MSRP of a little over $70K. Once you > start approaching the seven minute mark with a stock production car, the > MSRP's can easily exceed seven figures. McLaren P1, Pagani, Ferrari > LaFerrari, Koenigsegg, Porsche 918, blah blah blah. The current record for > "production" cars is 6:48 for a Radical SR8LM. Not your Grand Mother's > grocery getter. > ~Holland > I ran across the restoration thread from VWVortex which I previously > mentioned. It is an 87 8V GTI from Europe. The thread is rather long but he > has done the restoration to a very high level of quality with a huge number > of hours dedicated to it. Somehow he has more than one of these projects > going on at the same time… > > http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4594833-VW-Golf-GTI-1987-restoration-project > > About today’s driver’s cars – I am reminded about how much of a good deal > these cars were. A 1992 GTI 16V invoiced at ~$12,500 circa 1991 which in > today’s dollars is ~$22,000. You can’t even get a base model Golf these > days for that price, let alone the top of the line R. We also all know that > today’s cars are safer than ever. That safety comes at the cost of weight > which has to be overcome with more power from the engine. For a while > displacement was how this was achieved but with emmissions standards getting > more stringent turbocharging has been the only way to keep up for most > companies. All these things combine to reduce the raw feel of today’s cars > as compared to 80s cars. > > Sadly, they can never build cars like they used to in the 80s but I think we > all have to admit that today’s cars are better than ever. I wonder what a > stock MK2 16V would do on the Nürburgring and how close it would come to > today’s sub-7-minute record times. > > -Larry > 91 GTI 16V > > From: mk2-16v@googlegroups.com [mailto:mk2-16v@googlegroups.com] > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 5:59 PM > To: mk2-16v@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [mk2-16v] RE: Projects and Motivation > > I just read the tag lines about the Vortex project GTi - it sounds way too > much like cars I've owned for me to be comfortable - lines like "The big > bumpers...held on my sheet metal screws to the small bumper rebar..." My > original 8v car that was the recipient of a 16v swap had Euro bumpers that > were held on by a wing and a prayer - I hadn't learned about JB Weld yet SO > at least they were bolted on. It wasn't until many years later when I had a > Mk1 MR2 that I discovered how to use Dura-Glass to "mold" fiberglass bumpers > onto the bodywork instead of actually bolting the covers to the car. > > I agree - no one collects old cars for reasons other than aesthetics. As > much as I'm nostalgic about my parents' 69 Beetle, I can't say that I'm > running out to buy one b/c I've driven lawn tractors and they're fine, just > not daily transportation. The Mk1 and Mk2 VWs are certainly unique in their > timeframe. BMWs in that timeframe were unique as well but their disparity > between what was and what is currently in production is tremendous. VW's > current production is certainly better than in the mid-80s but VW has, to > some small degree, stuck with their roots and produced a car that (when > compared to other cars in its price range) is a Driver's Car. > > That said, nothing I've driven in the past 5 years could be remotely > considered a Driver's Car by an iron-butt such as myself. All new cars are > squishy and soft which is fine for the "motoring public". Gimme a car that > actually has road feel and the like - the closest I've seen is the BRZ but > I'm not at liberty to part with thirty-thousand of my hard-earned dollars for > that little gem. I'd rather spend those dollars in smaller chunks on older, > more visceral but less capable cars that are more rewarding to drive. > > > On Friday, December 11, 2015 5:36 PM, Larry Velez <la...@sinu.com> wrote: > > Les, > > Thanks for keeping up the good fight! I hope this list helps people a > little with motivation – I know we all need a little of that. Do let VW > Heritage know that there is a market here for Mk2 parts and that many of us > would be buying them if they were available… > > Mathew is right there are better cars today but people don’t collect 1920s > Fords because they are good cars – they collect and restore them because they > are awesome to them. We have the benefit that we can actually drive our > collector cars at 100 MPH without it falling apart. I think modern classics > are the best of both worlds and you can enjoy them much more than a 53 > Porsche that does not have enough power to get up a hill.. > > I think we are just getting into the hype for our cars growing. The hype for > BMWs of the same era has already exploded and I think VWs of the era will > ride some of that wave. This will encourage aftermarket companies to start > producing restoration parts so it is easier for us to restore and maintain > these cars. > > Here is some more inspiration in case you had not already seen this: > http://www.vwvortex.com/features/project-cars/1985-volkswagen-gti-restoration/ > > There is another impressive thread for a white Mk2 on vortex where the guy > has done a true nut and bolt restoration with tons of new parts but I can’t > find that thread right now. > > -Larry > 91 GTI 16V > > From: mk2-16v@googlegroups.com [mailto:mk2-16v@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Les Noriel > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 1:05 PM > To: mk2-16v@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [mk2-16v] Interesting find in Jacksonville, FL > > Matthew makes a good point. Cars have really evolved in the past two decades. > Horsepower, traction, and safety have all made significant advancements over > the past few years. In addition, Our culture has really grown accustomed to > creature comforts. I've not seen a car with manual window cranks in years. > Power windows and locks with remote key access are standard in virtually > every vehicle sold today. My two VW projects are crude by today's standards. > Personally, I've grown fond of the comforts of my Audi A4 which makes the > interior of the old MKIIs primitive by comparison. And it's ten years old! > > Like many of us, my car projects have slowly progressed over a period of > decades. My wife has allowed me to use the garage for my projects rather than > parking cars. But I do need to finish them at some point. Parts are getting > more difficult to find. There's nothing I like more than seeing a MKII VW > restored and driving on the road. > Sometimes I just need the time and motivation to keep progressing. I > recently peeked into my Golf 16V and noticed that the new fabric on the > headliner which I installed a few years back has fallen. *Sigh*! I was so > proud of that achievement but now seems like I'll have to go back to square > one and do it again. > > Recently, VW Heritage has asked me to critique some of their products for > Project MKII 16V and write it up in my project blog. So I'm looking through > their catalog now. It gives me something to rekindle the interest. > > -Les > > > On Dec 8, 2015, at 8:48 AM, 'Matthew Yip' via MK2-16v wrote: > > Ah yes, the world of abandoned projects. My street car was a 97 Passat TDI > that is now for sale b/c of front-end damage. I can't bring myself to trash > the car even with 424K miles on the odo BUT it's valueless to anyone other > than a fanatic. Then again, I've met a Mk2 fanatic whose mission it seems is > to "save and restore all Mk2 VW products". As much as I like the cars, there > are newer and better cars in the world...(blasphemy, yes). > > > On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 11:27 AM, Holland Phillips > <hollandphill...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I had a '76 Mk1 that I was going to restore, probably into some sort of > race/street vehicle. It had a 1.6 8v motor with a terminal rod knock. Would > have been cool to put a fully modded 2.0 TSI motor in it, with a 6 speed, > Quaife (sp?) etc. > It had a straight body with some surface rust, but that's about it. It sat in > my driveway almost 20 years, then finally got a free ride to the "Auto > Recycler". > ~Holland > Yes - The Mk2 Slorocco, especially the 16v was essentially a very overweight > Rabbit. I had one and it was tonnes of fun - not as visceral as the Mk1 by > any stretch of the imagination but much more connected than anything VW has > produced since that time frame. > > > On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 10:53 AM, Holland Phillips > <hollandphill...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Matt, > I think you meant Mk 2 Scirocco, right? > '87 was Definitely Mk2... > ~Holland > On Dec 8, 2015 07:47, "'Matthew Yip' via MK2-16v" <mk2-16v@googlegroups.com> > wrote: > I have a hard time with "restored" - these cars just don't seem that old to > me BUT they're almost 30 years old at this point!!! (Damn, I'm OLD too). > > I should probably keep this to myself BUT as a non-sunroof car, this > restoration car would make a great racecar candidate (that is if the Mk1 > Slorocco weren't such an overweight pig). > > Matthew > > > On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 10:36 AM, Jack Simon <crabs...@gmail.com> wrote: > > http://bringatrailer.com/2015/12/07/nicely-restored-1987-volkswagen-scirocco-16v/ > > http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/5329045176.html > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MK2-16v" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to mk2-16v+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to mk2-16v@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mk2-16v. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mk2-16v/6373FBF4-C129-4AC6-B5FB-9A278540782C%40gmail.com. > For more options, visit 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