It just occurred to me that finding this problem may be easier than I originally thought. Since there seems to be some sort of metal shavings visible externally, the source of those also should be visible externally. Time for a flash light and one of those small extendable mirrors. Or one of those "snake" cameras (Endoscope in medicaleese).
~Holland On Dec 25, 2015 09:43, "Holland Phillips" <hollandphill...@gmail.com> wrote: > I was thinking the same thing. But with the symptoms he's reporting, the > possibilities are numerous. Since the engine starts and runs, I would be > looking at the rotating ancilliaries. > Do any of the pulleys wobble? Since it sounds like someone removed the > A/C, they may have messed up something with the v-belt system, depending on > exactly how they removed the A/C compressor. Like did they leave all the > pulleys in place, except the one on the compressor itself? As I recall, the > A/C drive belt is a wider, heavier duty belt than the rest. Then I wonder > if the power steering pump and water pump are turning freely. If one of > those is frozen, or partially locked up, that could be a problem. As I > mentioned before, trying to trouble shoot this via textual description is > nigh on impossible. If any of one of our more knowledgeable members is > located geographically close to this guy, maybe we could be of more help. > > ~Holland > On Dec 25, 2015 09:14, "Les Noriel" <les.nor...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> One idea I thought might be part of the problem. Check that the timing >> belt tensioner is good. When those bearings go bad, it can make a lot of >> noise (buzzer?) It can also compromise timing which would make the motor >> run badly, especially if the belt jumped a tooth. Just a thought >> >> Les >> On Dec 25, 2015 8:27 AM, "Holland Phillips" <hollandphill...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Another thing you could do that may help to identify the source of the >>> problem is take a magnet, like one of those extendable magnetic retrievers, >>> and see if it picks up the metallic shavings you mentioned. If they're non >>> magnetic, then it may indicate that something is rubbing against the head. >>> Just a suggestion... >>> >>> ~Holland >>> On Dec 24, 2015 23:29, "damac2004" <damac2...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >>>> sorry this car has a 16v motor. i have been driving it for a couple >>>> months so the noise and loping is definately different and made me want to >>>> shut the car off. >>>> >>>> no ac hardware installed i think somebody yanked it and did things the >>>> wrong way. >>>> >>>> i got a bently manual and assume i will have to break things down to >>>> check, i guess i was just looking for some real world experience. >>>> >>>> i just assumed something was getting jammed up in a way to put load on >>>> the timing belt side to make it lope at idle. but that coupled with the >>>> oil light and shavings near the im shaft makes me fear its the engine side. >>>> i can't even move a pulley when tugging by hand right now. >>>> >>>> i had a diesel vacuum pump sieze up once and stopped the im shaft dead. >>>> you could hear the belt screeching, oil light went off and you could smell >>>> the belt. that was the craziest thing i have ever seen, was using a rotary >>>> type and the gear shaved grooves into the cover. >>>> >>>> >>>> after i got it towed home last night i had to start it and move it onto >>>> the driveway. started and ran as normal with no oil pressure light but i >>>> didn't want to warm it up. wasn't loping but all the clattery >>>> racket/scratching can be heard especially after stabbing the throttle and >>>> letting off. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, December 24, 2015 at 10:35:01 PM UTC-8, stevenarguello >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The 8v distributor runs off of the intermediate shaft along with the >>>>> oil pump. If it jumped a tooth or two the spark timing would be off. The >>>>> 16v dizzy runs off the cam. >>>>> Does it have A/C? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 24, 2015, at 12:22 PM, damac2004 <dama...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm new to these cars. I got one of these a few months ago and >>>>> planned on using it as a project to restore for fun. I have been driving >>>>> it as is because it worked. I do have to get it smogged and clean up some >>>>> neglect but it was getting me around ok with no funky noises. >>>>> >>>>> Yesterday I came off the freeway and all of a sudden the high pressure >>>>> oil buzzer constantly started going off. I heard a racket of screeches >>>>> and >>>>> clunks in the engine bay and the engine was loping near idle speed. So >>>>> too >>>>> many wierd things at once to ignore, but I had to get off the road so i >>>>> probably ran the car about a minute after before turning it off. just >>>>> putting my safety first because of where i was vs. potentially blowing up >>>>> a >>>>> motor. >>>>> >>>>> i had to work and came back to cold car. i have good fluids and >>>>> started it up for a bit. it ran with just the hint of stumbling although >>>>> i >>>>> don't know if these cars typically do that while warming up. it wasn't >>>>> loping the same. i reved it and didn't get the light to come on but >>>>> noticed the racket sounded like its on the drive belt system. while >>>>> engine >>>>> was running only odd thing i noticed is shavings i think near the >>>>> intermediate shaft from the lower plastic timing belt cover. couldn't >>>>> quite tell if another pully was actually touching it. >>>>> >>>>> im i correct to assume that if something in vbelt system dragged all >>>>> it would do is slow down the timing belt, but that would still turn the im >>>>> shaft without interference? >>>>> >>>>> is it possible a pulley wobbled its way into the im shaft and held it >>>>> up? i sure didn't smell smoking timing belt and will have to look closer. >>>>> it has power steering, alternator, water pump with 2 vbelts. >>>>> >>>>> or maybe something bad happned inside engine with oil pump or the im >>>>> bearings and the pulley side is worn and walking out and hitting? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "MK2-16v" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to mk2-16v+u...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to mk2...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/mk2-16v. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mk2-16v/af959f0b-50cd-474c-917b-f978104e7adb%40googlegroups.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mk2-16v/af959f0b-50cd-474c-917b-f978104e7adb%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "MK2-16v" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to mk2-16v+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to mk2-16v@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/mk2-16v. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mk2-16v/64bed5b2-e9a0-4945-bf86-26e23998cd74%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mk2-16v/64bed5b2-e9a0-4945-bf86-26e23998cd74%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MK2-16v" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to mk2-16v+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to mk2-16v@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/mk2-16v. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mk2-16v/CABrbKB%3D_gsNqh_UEFXFn_%2BJMkrJCv%3DPXc%3DxfQJ-%3DJdoUkweLLA%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mk2-16v/CABrbKB%3D_gsNqh_UEFXFn_%2BJMkrJCv%3DPXc%3DxfQJ-%3DJdoUkweLLA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MK2-16v" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to mk2-16v+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to mk2-16v@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/mk2-16v. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mk2-16v/CAEpuu2OdZo46mkTz%2BXnTVp63bsbrkBgRfpg9tW9O10S6F57umQ%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mk2-16v/CAEpuu2OdZo46mkTz%2BXnTVp63bsbrkBgRfpg9tW9O10S6F57umQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MK2-16v" group. 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