On Thu, 4 May 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
> I would think that apache.org would provide a free open source search
> engine as an infrastructural resource? Can't we take advantage of that? Or
> is perl.apache.org not actually part of apache.org infrastructure?
>
> It seems to me that a lot more apache.org sites would benefit rather than
> perl.apache.org so it could be a shared resource. As for the programmatic
> characters not being recognized-- I think we kind of get used to that. It
> is a pain, but better a poor search than no search. I have actually wished
> for searching myself for just simple things here and there.
Gunther, the engine is there. Look at the bottom of /guide/index.html --
and it's the one that apache.org serves all the projects with. So it
exists but it's not as good as it could be, and it searchs the whole
perl.apache.org site.
>
> That's another thing that makes the full print out version (PDF) so nice is
> that you can do a Find....
>
> At 01:28 PM 5/4/00 +0300, Stas Bekman wrote:
> >On Thu, 4 May 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 4 May 2000, Stas Bekman wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Yes. On some of the search engines (AltaVista springs to mind) you can
> > > > > search for things on particular web sites, or even links to
> > particular web
> > > > > sites. So as long as AltaVista keeps its search contents up to
> > date, you
> > > > > can leverage their engine. IIRC either Randall or Lincoln did a
> > > > > WebTechniques article about this a few months ago.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, I see.
> > > >
> > > > But I want to stress these 2 points:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Currently each chapter in the Guide is a huge document, so doing
> > search
> > > > and having a hit, doesn't really help as you still have to go thru the
> > > > page to find the exact section that you want to read. So I think we
> > want a
> > > > search engine that's not working with the master version per se, but with
> > > > a copy which has name anchors for each line and:
> > > >
> > > > a. can bring you to exact line with match
> > > > b. have the keyword highlighted
> > > >
> > > > 2) Most of the search engines have problems with keywords including
> > > > non-alpha chars, like if you search for Apache::Registry you will end up
> > > > searching for Apache and Registry since :: is ignored. Now think about
> > > > '$r->print' 'BEGIN {', '$@', etc. All these are must for the doc with
> > many
> > > > non-alpha characters which should be searched for.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > You seem to have it all worked out. I look forward to seeing your search
> > > engine ;-)
> > >
> > > Seriously though, I have a search engine in the works, however I don't
> > > know how well it will apply to your scheme above. It looks like you're
> > > going to be better off writing one yourself. Its not too hard, provided
> > > you have a DB to store the index on. Let me know if you need some
> > > pointers.
> >
> >Two things:
> >
> >1) I'd better concentrate on improving the content and structure of the
> >Guide and will leave this search engine task to someone who needs to use
> >the Guide but find it unusable without the proper search engine.
> >
> >2) perl.apache.org doesn't have mod_perl installed, so it's better to use
> >some other site. I don't have any.
> >
> >Which leads to: If you suffer from inability to get the best out of the
> >Guide in the shortest time and wish to help others in the same boat,
> >please create a searchable mirror site which answers on the above demands.
> >You will get a monument while you are alive at the perl.apache.org site if
> >you are looking for one, but of course the most important is a great
> >feeling of giving something back and not just taking.
> >
> >Hmm, may be we should run another contest at the Perl conference. The name
> >is 'find it in the Guide'. You will be given a number of unanswered posts
> >from the mod_perl list and the first one that provides pointers in the
> >Guide that solve these problems wins. This has a double effect:
> >
> >1) You get the prize
> >
> >2) You finally answer the unanswered questions :)
> >
> >Have a good day, folks!
> >
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