On Thu, 11 May 2000, Marc Slemko wrote:

> In reality, IE's recently publicized hole (which I reported to them, in a
> slightly modified form, months ago but they didn't see fit to release a
> patch...) doesn't change much.
> 
> Hotmail?  Yahoo mail?  amazon.com?  etc.  Your cookies for all those sites
> are vulnerable anyway due to the "cross site scripting" issue.  This
> particular hole in IE doesn't change things too much.  Sure, there may be
> the rare site that isn't vulnerable to cross site scripting.  But that is
> the very rare site, and most sites that think they aren't vulnerable are.
> 
> Cookies are not secure and will never be secure.  I have said it before
> and will say it again many times before I die.  Unfortunately, it isn't as
> simple as saying "well, don't use cookies".  There isn't much in the way
> of alternatives for a lot of things...

Cross-site scripting attacks are hard for most people to wrap their minds
around.  There are a zillion sites that are vulnerable, mainly because
they parrot back to the user whatever they submitted without doing any
validation or HTML/URL escaping.  Then there are browser bugs that don't
treat excaped character properly.  Sigh.

Mayhaps will we have a cross-site scripting bof at oracon?

-jwb

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