On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
> At 10:28 PM 9/26/2000 +0200, Alexander Farber (EED) wrote:
> >Doug MacEachern wrote:
> > > > modperl is the best kept secret on the net. Shame!
> > > seems to generate plenty of list traffic for a "secret" ;)
> >Don't you all think, that mod_perl isn't promoted enough and
> >this will kill it someday, despite its technical goodness?
Perl in general too, although I disagree with Stas on this one. (we
discussed it in the pub on the first night of the conference).
> >- There are no articles in the "mainstream" computer press
> > (like cnet.com, www.ix.de, etc) about mod_perl.
True, but then you need to explain the apache phenomenon first, and too
many corporates want to deal only with corporates, making them feel a need
to use IIS (with no mod_perl :/ )
> >- There are no benchmarks, comparing to Java/Coldfusion/whatever.
None of these give you anything like the hooks that mod_perl gives you,
though, so in general they are uncomparable. CF is pig-slow, and java -
well. :)
> >- I work at a big telco, and no one cares/knows here about
> > mod_perl (except our intranet-webmaster, who still prefers
> > PHP, since it makes him less trouble).
Again, not comparable. I have written a quick hack auth system that hooks
into uri translation, try doing that under any other system.
> >- People, who have heard about mod_perl, are looking for servlet/
> > JSP-programmers, because mod_perl-coders are hard to find.
perhaps. Mod_perl jobs are hard to find too... :/
> I unfortunately have to agree.
perhaps.
> Depending on where you go Perl programmers may be easier to find that Java
> programmers, but finding an existing mod_perl programmer is not easy. It's
> doable, but not easy. And in the end, the salaries for mod_perl programmers
> are pretty high right now because of it -- so will a system really cost
> less to develop in mod_perl than in Java if Java programmers are becoming
> less expensive than mod_perl programmers?
I have yet to see companies in this country really advertising for
mod_perl jobs. The company where I currently work mentions it, but we're
not really looking for it very hard, and if they've done any perl, we
mostly teach them about the templating system we use (yes, yet another
one, and going on CPAN soon.... :)
> We all have to do our part to evangelize mod_perl more. I think ISPs are
> really key here as I think I may have mentioned before. If you get the ISPs
Well, I can tell you for a fact that mod_perl is running on
http://www.bluepet.co.uk/
http://www.freedomjewellery.com/
http://www.londontransport.co.uk/
http://www.swisslife.com/
http://www.sciencephoto.com/ (the current version uses PerlRun, but the
new version will be all mod_perl)
> supporting and evangelizing mod_perl (and pre-installed mod_perl
> applications) then you will get users using it and liking it. How many ISPs
Yes, but the way it runs does raise problems for security....
> advertise support for mod_perl? How many without charging like US$100 more
> a month on top of the normal account fees?
This is difficult, due to the security issues. If you have client cgi, you
can always use something like suEXEC or even something as complex as userv
to run your cgi scripts. With mod_perl, the plugged in scripts can do
anything that the webserver can, and you can (by writing a module that
doesn't compile) break the entire webserver.
> PHP comes with a lot of ISP accounts for free with no extra cost. Java does
> not yet, but I've started seeing ISPs starting to support Java in the low
> end shared server accounts...
Wow. I'm surprised, for the security reasons I've outlined above. But then
I don't know much about PHP, really.
MBM
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