On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Ruben Safir <ru...@mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:46:52AM -0500, Igor Chudov wrote: > > Ruben, thank you for your opinion. You have your own opinion and I have > > mine, and that is what makes the Internet beautiful. > > > > Take a look at your own website coinhangout.com. It is down right now. > But > > take a look at its google cache: > > > > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search? > q=cache%3Awww.coinhangout.com&oq=cache%3Awww.coinhangout. > com&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.1525j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 > > > > click on View Source of that. > > > > There you see that most of the page is perl code, in embperl wrappers. > Just > > a little HTML head and ending is HTML. > > > > This is what I found to be typical of most pages. > > > That is called templates, BTW and is common. In that case I was > importing a large modperl application and embedding it into a second > page. It was pretty quick and dirty but it did the job to about 80K > hits a day on a little atom fit/pc processor. > > I stopped using the page when someone stole all the coins on the site > from their home. I lost my stomach for it and passed the site along to a > friend who may or may not be using it. > > I am sorry to hear this, I am sure that it was a sad moment. Remind your friend to change the WHOIS information on this domain. > That doesn't make CGI.pm any less of a pig. It is th swiss army knife > of internet programming, but it has a huge cost, especailly if you are > using large pages heavy on content that are cached in RAM. It also runs > a lot of contacts, and can gum up the OS scheduler and wait cues real good. > > > I use CGI.pm exclusively inside mod_perl. At peak demand around 7pm on week days, when everyone is doing homework, I serve about 170 or so requests per second. The server is a 8 CPU virtual server running in google cloud and it is about 50% busy. About maybe half of those responses are images generated by mod_perl/CGI.pm scripts that draw pictures of math formulas like x/(x+1) etc. I agree that running CGI.pm inside true CGI scripts (one process per every web object) is expensive. Running it inside mod_perl seems to be extremely efficient. > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Ruben Safir <ru...@mrbrklyn.com> > wrote: > > > > > On 09/10/2016 09:53 PM, Igor Chudov wrote: > > > > It turns out that HTML has a very minor and subordinate role to perl > > > > application logic, and putting "perl inside html" was completely > > > misguided > > > > and instead I decided to "make html inside perl". Using CGI module of > > > > course. This was far more maintainable. > > > > > > > > > Just for the record, this is not correct and I think time has proven > > > that integrating language into the html output has resulted in a > Marjory > > > of active server pages. Aside from Perl, there has been similar > > > constructions in python, rails, php, etc etc etc... > > > > > > I just have a distaste for opinions spouted as facts. > > > > > > If anything, CGI.PM is the clumsy huge animal and is problematic, even > > > from the beginning. There has always been work arounds to sidestep it > > > including fastcgi et al. Use of it is a (huge at times) convenience > for > > > some, but speed, organization and efficiency are not it's benefits. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town > > > that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological > > > proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 > > > http://www.mrbrklyn.com > > > > > > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 > > > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software > > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive > > > http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! > > > http://www.brooklyn-living.com > > > > > > Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, > > > but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 > > > > > -- > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town > that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological > proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 > http://www.mrbrklyn.com > > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive > http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! > http://www.brooklyn-living.com > > Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, > but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 > >
