Well, Irv, to be honest, I'd have to say Precision  DID do a more careful
job w/ regards to level of finish, but that's the ONLY place where they have
my Montgomery beat and if you are like me, that only lasts until you sail it
for the first time (thinking back to the time I "dropped the mast").  It's
been a while since I've seen Clarence's boat but I'm not sure that holds
true with Bob's boats.  I think he's fitting them out to more of a yacht
finish than Jerry did, what with the upholstered settee backs, etc. (is that
an option?)  And how about that optional teak and holly sole?

I think it is due in no small part to general changes in consumer
expectation for finish level rather than any commentary on Jerry's work.
Look at the changes in cars in the last 20-30 years; auto, air, tilt,
cruise, electric this electric that.  I personally like the Spartan interior
and, if you recall, I suggested to Bob to keep the interior of the new 23 on
a par with Busca's but of course we all know that my plea went unheeded and
instead it is a finely fitted yacht. (of course, the only 23 was much also
much more polished than the 17).

"A good boat is more than just a pretty finish."

Tod (totally devoid of any fit or finish himself)

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Tod 
You are not implying that your M17 does not have a smooth finish? Irv

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Jeff,

Clarence's 17 + 6-10 would be just the thing!  Nothing better than a little
dinghy for kids (if they are too young, just blink a few times).

I haven't sailed a Precision 18, but have seen them at several shows and my
impressions of the boat match up with what has already been said.  The one
thing that does impress me about them is the care that someone went to to
obtain a fair (smooth, no ripples in the finish) hull, A+ there.  However,
that alone was not enough to offset what I perceived as demerits.  Maria has
a good point about the kick up rudder if routinely sailing thin water,
although a 17 could (and has) been fitted with one too.

As Doug says: if it gets you on the water...

Tod
M17 #408

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Hi all, My name is Jeff.  I am looking at buying a new or used M-17.  I used
to have a 1982 M-15.  Good boat, no doubt, but I need something a little
bigger (for 2 young boys & wife) so they can enjoy, and newer, so I can
enjoy(and not maintan too much).  I am also considering a Precision 18 and
wonder if there is any "unbiased" (wrong group I know) opinions on either
boat.   I live in Phoenix, AZ, and was a subscriber to this group in the
past. 
Happy days to you all.  Jeff Flancer
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