> Perhaps there could be a dumbified layer
> that would attract the beginners, with jQuery like syntax.
It's called Element.
The new docs will emphasize it at the top instead of the bottom.
$('el').tween('height', 100);
$('#el').animate('height', 100);
Element and jQuery are for the most party search and replaceable.
On May 26, 2010, at 10:58 AM, jiggliemon wrote:
> I'm not really interested in attracting the "There's a plug-in for
> that" crowd by in large. Perhaps there could be a dumbified layer
> that would attract the beginners, with jQuery like syntax. I know
> I've seen several 3rd party layers out there, but perhaps one
> supported by the Mootools community or developers w/ a seal of
> approval. Something that would act as an 'Intro Layer' - so people
> who otherwise would be interested in a more robust system, aren't
> turned off by all those characters of .addEvent(). ex:
> window.ready(function(){ /* Let's do this! */ }); While this reduces
> the control and eliminates all things moo, we at least get those
> users, who might one day be attracted to the larger abilities of a OO
> framework.
>
> I think the real selling point and power of the code base and
> community is manifested in the projects that have come out of the
> contributors, and community - made with mootools. I mean we have
> Oskar w/ jsFiddle/mooshell; Greg Huston w/ Mocha UI (all canvas
> windows); Ryan Florance with moo4q; and on and on... It would be
> great if the developer world would look at these contributions to the
> JS community as possibilities of Mootools (not just effects, but full
> scalable environments or work flow enhancements), and see it as a
> viable option when developing large projects. A good example of this
> is when I showed the Java developers here at work mootools code, vs
> jQuery (their adopted framework), they wished they had adopted
> mootools, as they extend and create instances of classes every day --
> they can understand the importance and flexibility. If Mootools was
> "More popular" maybe our guy's lives would be just that much easier --
> as they would have a class base, and not just a plugin library.
>
> @Timlmp: I disagree w/ the whole naming thing. There's plenty stupid
> names out there that are plenty popular and used in serious
> development platforms. Java - a nickname for Coffee, C# - a music
> note, PHP,ASP,ColdFusion -- WTF do these even mean? Designers and
> Marketers like it when shit moves and is shiny. Where i do see your
> point is that we as a community could do a better job in presenting
> ourselves towards that demographic (and it looks like Oskar Krawczyk's
> got something in the works).
>
> I don't know about all this talk regarding making a more roundie-
> cornered site. #1, Rounded corners are dead; I would hate to pull a
> Microsoft, and catch up to the outdated. Personally, I would hate to
> see mootools turn into the "Plugin Framework", I like that jQuery
> provides a bajillion plugins for designers. I simply want mootools to
> be more apparent to the application developers as their friend -- the
> developers framework -- which it is.
>
> On May 26, 7:53 am, TimeImp <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Another thing to think about is the name of the actual JS framework/
>> library.
>> Eg: a FW/Lib named BigDoor will probably be more remembered than
>> something like SmallHandle because when people think door, they think
>> wood, timber, building, moving thing. But SmallHandle could mean a
>> handle for a door, a ladder or something completely unrelated.
>> In this way, I believe that more people are using jQuery because of
>> this thinking: it has the word QUERY in there, and that is often
>> associated by programming-illiterate people as computer code.
>> But mootools [as cool as it sounds] does not have this direct link to
>> computer programming. To a person who programs all manner of non-web-
>> related things, mootools, when first proposed to them, may sound far-
>> fetched and, in some ways, stupid and immature [the name, not the
>> framework/library].
>>
>> It might even cause them to think of Cows or Milk instead of JS code
>> and simplifying your life.
>>
>> So theres a POV from someone who advertises mootools at the workplace
>> but gets funny looks until an explanation is told.
