Im with Erik here.
I'm sure the Pope doesnt "dash little children against rocks".
We all have different tastes and I am glad of it.
I have enjoyed Horror films of all types since i was 4 years old, and
watched more than most, from classics to cannibal Holocaust.
Strangely or not I've also been a strict vegetarian for 21 years.
Never beaten anyone up.
Anyone who knows me, knows I wouldnt hurt a fly.
BUT I do admit, i enjoy films that are hard to watch, not sure why.... maybe
ask a GOYA fan what they see in his works.
Death and Violence has been a mainstay of all artforms for a long time, and
I don't think its going anywhere..
Thanks for looking,
Ari
--------- Original Message --------
From: Erik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>
Subject: Re: [MOPO] HOSTILE TOWARD HOSTEL
Date: 18/01/2006 13:05
>
> People watch horror films the same reason some people ride roller
coasters,
> or skydive, or watch a sappy tearjerker: it gives them an emotional
stimulus
> they enjoy receiving. It's not for everyone.
>
> Tastes are different, and "positive contributions" may be one
thing to you
> and another to I. I'll take Tobe Hooper's Texas Chainsaw Massacre over
> Citizen Kane any day of the week. Re-Animator trounces Gone With the Wind
in
> my house. Am I supposed to feel somewhat less of a movie fan because of my
> tastes in cinema? Is the fact that I own Cannibal Holocaust supposed to
make
> me a sick, depraved prevert, regardless of how "normal" my life
is?
> I think not. What floats your boat may not work for me, bunky. Such is the
> beauty of choice.
>
> Cheers,
> Erik
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia"
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> To: <MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] HOSTILE TOWARD HOSTEL
>
>
> >I have never been able to understand the fascination with extreme
horror
> > films or the motivation of those who make them. Perhaps it is just
the
> > cheap
> > thrill or a perverted form of shock value but it is all a mystery to
me. I
> > believe that, despite what some sociologists might claim, there is a
> > direct
> > correlation between violence in movies and the many violent and
horrific
> > crimes that seem to occur daily. I guess those who make these films
will
> > make money from them but it is a pity that they cannot direct their
> > talents
> > into making films that can make a positive contribution.
> >
> >
> > JOHN REID VINTAGE MOVIE MEMORABILIA
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phil Edwards Cinema Arts"
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> > To: <MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MOPO] HOSTILE TOWARD HOSTEL
> >
> >
> >> Erik is correct of course, most most notably in his last two
paras of
> >> his post.
> >>
> >> I probably won't see HOSTEL unless it's as a freebie on DVD down
the
> >> track.
> >>
> >> I haven't bothered to see remakes of DAWN OF THE DEAD or TCM
either.
> >> It's a matter of choice. I can think of a dozen movies that I
would
> >> choose head of eitehr of these to watch given the amount of fre
rtime I
> >> have to watch movies these days.
> >>
> >> But it has nothing to do with content, although perhaps subject
matter
> >> is an issue in making a choice, preferring an "emotional
adrenalin rush"
> >> to a more "visceral adrenalin rush". I like films that
disturb me
> >> emotionmally and promote thought about "difficult"
emotions over films
> >> that really just make me choke with a gag reflex....
> >>
> >> but.... in past there were films like NOTLD DEAD, DAWN OF THE
DEAD,
> >> TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE, HALLOWEEN, NIKGHTMARE ON ELM STREET,
etc,
> >> etc... and they all received similar commenatry at the time of
their
> >> release as films like HOSTEL and SAW receive today.
> >>
> >> I'm re-reading David Skal's excellent book THE MONSTER SHOW....
> >> essential reading for serious horror fans as are all of David's
> >> books.... and guess what? The contemporary 1932 critical quotes
to
> >> FREAKS and MURDERS IN THE RUE MORGUE could almost be identical,
just by
> >> replacing 'FEAKS' with 'HOSTEL'.
> >>
> >> So much of this stuff has to do with changing sensibilities and
the need
> >> every few years for film makers to "revolt" against the
kind of creeping
> >> conservatism that permeates through politics and society and into
> >> popular arts (like film). Why do you think American independent
film
> >> makers did such a huge cage rattel in the late 1960s, apart from
> >> protesting another commercially-driven war?
> >>
> >> BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN and HOSTEL are likely coming out of the same
school
> >> in some ways... the school of WAKE-UP film making. They may
achieve a
> >> different aesthetic and through different means, but at least
they are
> >> honest in their (quite diverse) intentions/methods, unlike
something
> >> like THE PASSION, which was a gorehound movie masquerading as an
> >> uplifting spiritual experience.
> >>
> >> Phil
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Erik wrote:
> >>
> >>> I was in attendance at a screening with Eli Roth in Texas not
to long
> >>> ago, and while I didn't care for Hostel (or Roth's work in
general) I
> >>> for one am thankful that hard-core (not in the pornographic
sense that
> >>> many attatch to the word) horror is making a comeback.
> >>>
> >>> I cut my teeth on the Golden Age of Slasher Films during the
late 70's
> >>> to the mid 80's and as of late, the genre has become so PC,
> >>> watered-down and weak-kneed by catering to the PG-13
teeny-bopper
> >>> crowd (as the recent glut of crap with Kevin Williamson's
name
> >>> attached to it attests) that I thank my bloody stars that a
film like
> >>> Hostel is even seeing the light of day, much less getting
national
> >>> distribution. This is nothing more then a drive-in flick at
best, and
> >>> it's #1 opening was a welcome sight to this ol' gorehound's
jaded
> >>> retinas.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not delving into the "bad movies/bad tv debate"
as it's pointless
> >>> here. I'm outnumbered and will surely get trounced by those
with more
> >>> time (and by those much wordier then I) to make their case.
> >>>
> >>> I'm also thankful *I* am the one deciding what I watch, and
not
> >>> someone who thinks *they* know what's good or bad.
> >>> If it's offensive don't watch.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Erik
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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